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    22600+ deaths in the United States.

    Blame local government, never Trump. Never.
    There's that many in New York.

    Chumpy himself said it should fall to the local level.

    What decisions did Trump make for New York.

    thinking Trump is the boss of governors

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    Organizations without compe ion (government) don't need to be efficient. When you have compe ion, you have to find ways to come in lower and still be able to deliver. This is why the military takes the lowest bid, but that bid is from private industry. If the military was more efficient they'd make the themselves.
    the compe ion is other countries militaries, genius.

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    There's that many in New York.

    Chumpy himself said it should fall to the local level.

    What decisions did Trump make for New York.

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    Trump made the failed travel ban decision that still allowed carriers into the airports.

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    There's that many in New York.

    Chumpy himself said it should fall to the local level.

    What decisions did Trump make for New York.

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    Trump hasn't done except suggest we look into injecting ourselves with Lysol and sun tan booth lighting. That's the point.

    You keep saying it falls to the local levels. Most of us disagree in that every level has some responsibility here.

    You also need to make sure you dont give Trump one crumb of credit when things go right here in the near future. Not one.

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    Not New Zealand. They won't have any herd immunity for a long time.
    Neither will we unless you want it to run unchecked and have our numbers of dead increase by maybe 10x to 20x. Spanish flu took a year and a half. I'd much rather be in a country that's actually managing it well currently and hopefully get our herd immunity from a vaccine later on. Why would you want to get it now when we don't have any treatment for it and you're just rolling dice with your life and health?

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    You also need to make sure you dont give Trump one crumb of credit when things go right here in the near future. Not one.
    I'm sure he'll take these marching orders from the board cuckold

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    the compe ion is other countries militaries, genius.
    Typical obtuse response from the forum re

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    Typical obtuse response from the forum re
    I went with board cuckold; but I guess they're not mutually exclusive.

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    Trump hasn't done except suggest we look into injecting ourselves with Lysol and sun tan booth lighting. That's the point.

    You keep saying it falls to the local levels. Most of us disagree in that every level has some responsibility here.

    You also need to make sure you dont give Trump one crumb of credit when things go right here in the near future. Not one.
    Yesterday, President Trump declared his intention to stage a resurrection for the U.S. economy – just in time for Easter Sunday. As he spoke, 17 governors across the country had placed their states on total lockdown, and another 11 had imposed such orders on the hardest-hit portions of their states, setting up a potential test of wills between them and the federal government.

    Can President Trump order them to change course? The short answer is no, unless he wants to disregard the Cons ution. Here are the basics:

    The 10th Amendment to the U.S. Cons ution, included in the original Bill of Rights, states that “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Cons ution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” As University of Texas law professor Bobby Chesney has recently reminded us, the states are independent en ies within our system of federalism, not mere subordinate jurisdictions of the national government. In areas reserved to the states, he says, the federal government “cannot coerce the states into taking actions to suit federal policy preference.”

    In particular, states enjoy unchallenged primacy in what cons utional scholars call “police powers”—those involving the health, safety, and well-being of their citizens. In exercising these powers, they may require citizens to do things—such as staying at home or getting tested—that some may resist.

    As the federal government responded haltingly to the reality of the COVID-19 pandemic, governors across the country stepped forward to set policies for their states’ schools, businesses, and medical facilities. Many turned out to be credible and effective communicators as well, explaining the challenges they face and providing much-needed clarity for a confused and anxious citizenry. The day-to-day contrast between the leadership of governors, from Andrew Cuomo of New York, a Democrat, to Governor Mike DeWine of Ohio, a Republican, has not been lost on the public. In a recent Monmouth poll while 50% think President Trump is doing a good job handling the crisis, substantially more voters, 72%, think their governor is doing a good job.

    If Trump thinks he can move to center stage by ending the crisis before the science says he should, he will find it difficult to do so. No federal statute gives the president the authority to override state decisions. Nor does he possess this inherent authority under Article II of the Cons ution. Nor do any other provisions of the Cons ution (such as the interstate commerce clause) confer this power on him. If governors choose to disregard his call to reopen their states, their decisions will be final, and the President Trump will have to live with them.

    Still, there are powers that only the federal government can exercise. As we have seen, the president can restrict international travel, harden the borders, and invoke national emergency powers such as the Defense Production Act. Without federal leadership, the states will have hard time coordinating their policies on the many aspects of the current pandemic that cross state lines.

    The federal government is also the only en y that can address medical supply issues that have already begun to generate a zero-sum compe ion among the states. It does no good to tell New York’s Governor Andrew Cuomo to procure ventilators and respirator masks on his own if not enough are available to meet his needs, let alone national needs. The president can and should lead a national mobilization of businesses and engineers to improvise solutions to the looming shortage of life-saving equipment.

    Achieving effective coordination within the federal government, and between the federal government and the states, may be the toughest job of all. A mass-contagion simulation performed last year by the Department of Health and Human Services was the latest to reveal that the federal government would be unprepared and uncoordinated in responding to the kind of crisis that now threatens to overwhelm us. As far as we know, neither executive departments and agencies nor the legislative branch undertook the necessary reforms. The price we paid for this neglect will be measured in time squandered and lives lost.

    Federalism is perhaps the most basic structure of our cons utional order. In the aftermath of the national tragedy that is unfolding, we must searchingly reexamine how this system performed under pressure and what we must change to do better next time.

    The countries that have done the best to fight the current pandemic learned lessons from past failures and responded with new organizations and policies. There is no reason whatever to believe that this is the last pandemic that will hit us. We can start by taking a simple and inexpensive step: recreating the unit within the National Security Council that was responsible for planning for pandemics that was disbanded in 2018. With such an organization there will be civil servants who know, from day one, the steps that a president needs to take.

    If we fail to undertake the necessary reforms between now and the next one, we will have no one except ourselves to blame for the consequences.

    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgo...whos-the-boss/

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    Neither will we unless you want it to run unchecked and have our numbers of dead increase by maybe 10x to 20x. Spanish flu took a year and a half. I'd much rather be in a country that's actually managing it well currently and hopefully get our herd immunity from a vaccine later on. Why would you want to get it now when we don't have any treatment for it and you're just rolling dice with your life and health?
    He's got his powerful zinc lamp ready for insertion at a moment's notice.

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    Typical obtuse response from the forum re
    It's your claim that everyone is making fun of, not mine.

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    He's got his powerful zinc lamp ready for insertion at a moment's notice.
    Especially in San Antonio where we have had only ~1200 cases of COVID infection in Bexar County and yet Nelson Wolf was saying we were already using 20% of our ventilators. I mean that was a scary thing to hear maybe 3-5 days ago in their daily 6:10 press conference. So when we get >6000 cases and we're going to be at 100% capacity and ventilators will be assigned by death panels?

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    I went with board cuckold; but I guess they're not mutually exclusive.
    His personal life aside, he's demonstrated himself to have a low IQ more often than not, but not short on monosyllabic opinion posts.

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    It's your claim that everyone is making fun of, not mine.
    You and hater

    Now you're using argument from popularity.

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    Yesterday, President Trump declared his intention to stage a resurrection for the U.S. economy – just in time for Easter Sunday. As he spoke, 17 governors across the country had placed their states on total lockdown, and another 11 had imposed such orders on the hardest-hit portions of their states, setting up a potential test of wills between them and the federal government.

    Can President Trump order them to change course? The short answer is no, unless he wants to disregard the Cons ution. Here are the basics:

    The 10th Amendment to the U.S. Cons ution, included in the original Bill of Rights, states that “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Cons ution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” As University of Texas law professor Bobby Chesney has recently reminded us, the states are independent en ies within our system of federalism, not mere subordinate jurisdictions of the national government. In areas reserved to the states, he says, the federal government “cannot coerce the states into taking actions to suit federal policy preference.”

    In particular, states enjoy unchallenged primacy in what cons utional scholars call “police powers”—those involving the health, safety, and well-being of their citizens. In exercising these powers, they may require citizens to do things—such as staying at home or getting tested—that some may resist.

    As the federal government responded haltingly to the reality of the COVID-19 pandemic, governors across the country stepped forward to set policies for their states’ schools, businesses, and medical facilities. Many turned out to be credible and effective communicators as well, explaining the challenges they face and providing much-needed clarity for a confused and anxious citizenry. The day-to-day contrast between the leadership of governors, from Andrew Cuomo of New York, a Democrat, to Governor Mike DeWine of Ohio, a Republican, has not been lost on the public. In a recent Monmouth poll while 50% think President Trump is doing a good job handling the crisis, substantially more voters, 72%, think their governor is doing a good job.

    If Trump thinks he can move to center stage by ending the crisis before the science says he should, he will find it difficult to do so. No federal statute gives the president the authority to override state decisions. Nor does he possess this inherent authority under Article II of the Cons ution. Nor do any other provisions of the Cons ution (such as the interstate commerce clause) confer this power on him. If governors choose to disregard his call to reopen their states, their decisions will be final, and the President Trump will have to live with them.

    Still, there are powers that only the federal government can exercise. As we have seen, the president can restrict international travel, harden the borders, and invoke national emergency powers such as the Defense Production Act. Without federal leadership, the states will have hard time coordinating their policies on the many aspects of the current pandemic that cross state lines.

    The federal government is also the only en y that can address medical supply issues that have already begun to generate a zero-sum compe ion among the states. It does no good to tell New York’s Governor Andrew Cuomo to procure ventilators and respirator masks on his own if not enough are available to meet his needs, let alone national needs. The president can and should lead a national mobilization of businesses and engineers to improvise solutions to the looming shortage of life-saving equipment.

    Achieving effective coordination within the federal government, and between the federal government and the states, may be the toughest job of all. A mass-contagion simulation performed last year by the Department of Health and Human Services was the latest to reveal that the federal government would be unprepared and uncoordinated in responding to the kind of crisis that now threatens to overwhelm us. As far as we know, neither executive departments and agencies nor the legislative branch undertook the necessary reforms. The price we paid for this neglect will be measured in time squandered and lives lost.

    Federalism is perhaps the most basic structure of our cons utional order. In the aftermath of the national tragedy that is unfolding, we must searchingly reexamine how this system performed under pressure and what we must change to do better next time.

    The countries that have done the best to fight the current pandemic learned lessons from past failures and responded with new organizations and policies. There is no reason whatever to believe that this is the last pandemic that will hit us. We can start by taking a simple and inexpensive step: recreating the unit within the National Security Council that was responsible for planning for pandemics that was disbanded in 2018. With such an organization there will be civil servants who know, from day one, the steps that a president needs to take.

    If we fail to undertake the necessary reforms between now and the next one, we will have no one except ourselves to blame for the consequences.

    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgo...whos-the-boss/
    Not one crumb of credit to Trump for any future successes. Not one.

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    You and hater

    Now you're using argument from popularity.
    You started with unproven anecdote followed by false truth ad hominem.
    Last edited by Blake; 04-27-2020 at 07:29 PM.

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    Especially in San Antonio where we have had only ~1200 cases of COVID infection in Bexar County and yet Nelson Wolf was saying we were already using 20% of our ventilators. I mean that was a scary thing to hear maybe 3-5 days ago in their daily 6:10 press conference. So when we get >6000 cases and we're going to be at 100% capacity and ventilators will be assigned by death panels?
    I don't understand the metrics we're supposed to be using. In Austin we've been running at about 50 new cases a day for the past three weeks. There is absolutely no downward trajectory. Have we just been overachieving this whole time and it was always OK to open at 50 per day? If it gets to a higher level do we back off on the planned openings? What are the goals and limits?

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    Especially in San Antonio where we have had only ~1200 cases of COVID infection in Bexar County and yet Nelson Wolf was saying we were already using 20% of our ventilators. I mean that was a scary thing to hear maybe 3-5 days ago in their daily 6:10 press conference. So when we get >6000 cases and we're going to be at 100% capacity and ventilators will be assigned by death panels?

    According to ksat.com, there are currently 16 patients on ventilators.

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    No new cases in my zipcode for several days now.

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    Not one crumb of credit to Trump for any future successes. Not one.
    Clearly lays out the powers of the states vs the federal government.

    Keep running, Blake. It's your calling in life.

    What about success in November? Eh?

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    No new cases in my zipcode for several days now.
    Mine neither, but south Austin is getting hammer ed by comparison.

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    I don't understand the metrics we're supposed to be using. In Austin we've been running at about 50 new cases a day for the past three weeks. There is absolutely no downward trajectory. Have we just been overachieving this whole time and it was always OK to open at 50 per day? If it gets to a higher level do we back off on the planned openings? What are the goals and limits?
    Here, we got 21 new cases. Zero deaths reported today. At least, not from covid. Some woman shot her two young children, her mother, and then herself.

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    Organizations without compe ion (government) don't need to be efficient. When you have compe ion, you have to find ways to come in lower and still be able to deliver. This is why the military takes the lowest bid, but that bid is from private industry. If the military was more efficient they'd make the themselves.
    military already contracts plenty of private companies and they make it even more inefficient and bloated than what it is

    have you heard of the term “burn the money”?

    that is used by private contractors widely which means do whatever bull you want to burn through this contract money.

    thinking that this would not happen in an all private for profit military is childish

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    sure you did.



    Ergo any reason you can just conveniently dismiss as whataboutism you've already preemptively discarded.

    Has Cuomo done a good job? (you'll ignore this or point to one comment about "dithering" from weeks back)
    What governor has done a good job with it?

    Has anyone in the federal government done a good job with it?

    Or do you think it's just Trump?


    You call anything you disagree with "irrelevant". You don't really deserve an answer.
    New York, like other states, waited too long to lockdown, and seems to have gotten hit hard for it.

    Trump pissed away an entire month when he could have been urging states to close down and get ready.

    Failure of leadership at all levels.

    Once the crisis hit Cuomo did everything he could, and really deserves high marks. Organized, competent, good work ethic, listens to science, and accepts responsibility.

    Trump is quite the opposite. Disorganized, incompetent, golfs and tweets, listens to conspiracy theories, and does not accept any responsbility.

    Yes, Cuomo has done, overall, a good job, with a huge mistake of waiting too long to lock down.

    Sorry that doesn't fit into your narrative of Trump worship. TDS on overdrive.

    Have another cup of bleach flavored Koolaid.

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    Clearly lays out the powers of the states vs the federal government.

    Keep running, Blake. It's your calling in life.

    What about success in November? Eh?
    If you read it, the article also talks about the federal government role and how they failed us.

    If you're not gonna blame Trump for anything at all here just make sure you don't give him any credit if we get out of this by November. Not one crumb of credit.

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