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    Obama certainly had to deal with his own pandemic... don't recall him ing it up this bad, but then again, it wasn't as severe as this one, IIRC.

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    Imagine how ahead of the curve we'd be if he started ramping up production of tests + PPE in January?
    Probably a couple pressers on the health benefits of chugging Clorox


    But you want a serious discussion?

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    70/30.

    That's fair. Obviously neither were interested in bailing out anyone except themselves.

    The Obamas reportedly just bought a $12 million home on Martha's Vineyard. They're worth 30 times more than when they entered the White House in 2008
    Lol "that's fair"

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    Then again, Obama has nothing to do with this administration's own ups

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    You’re right. Obama did have a ton more national security pressers on the emerging coronavirus threat back in 2016
    The national stockpile isn't grown in a month. It had a 3 year backlog. You cannot just order it from Amazon.

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    I know this got ignored, but I wonder what our response would've been with more transparency from China?
    Largely the same since Mayor Vaughn would still be president in this timeline and nothing really happened until the bodies started piling up.

    The WHO tweeted that it wasn't transmitted person to person.
    The passed along the information there wasn't evidence it was transmitted that way. When did they correct that? That has to be part of the narrative now.

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    Then again, Obama has nothing to do with this administration's own ups
    Had Obama back filled the PPE, do you think it would have still been there in January?

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    But you want a serious discussion?
    I do. I can make a joke too.

    I honestly think Trump still would have done nothing because he staked his re-election on the stock market and would have been too terrified to do anything meaningful. That’s why he said all those re ed things in February.

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    The national stockpile isn't grown in a month. It had a 3 year backlog. You cannot just order it from Amazon.
    2017, 2018, 2019

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    The national stockpile isn't grown in a month. It had a 3 year backlog. You cannot just order it from Amazon.
    When did the first new order for PPE go out for this pandemic?

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    Then again, Obama has nothing to do with this administration's own ups
    Apparently they have 70% of the blame

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    Obama certainly had to deal with his own pandemic... don't recall him ing it up this bad, but then again, it wasn't as severe as this one, IIRC.
    The biggest issue with that was the delay of the vaccine's availability in the fall. I didn't really dig through the causes of that.

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    So Trump should have run on back filling the PPE stockpile?

    Yeah that was in the forefront of concerns here too

    2009, 2010, 2011,2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016

    I gave him a discount for his 1st year.

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    You're saying a black woman was stupid bull .
    Nope I'm saying reversing the decision to put her on the $20 was stupid petty bull , good try though.

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    so many deflections

    DishonestMC

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    Apparently they have 70% of the blame
    Because of a backlog back to 2017.

    Just frantic weird backed into a corner ass talking now

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    Nope I'm saying reversing the decision to put her on the $20 was stupid petty bull , good try though.
    It's right there, your words. You said a black woman is stupid bull .

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    so many deflections

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    If I called you an astronaut you'd find a way to call me one. You lack creativity.

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    That's some trickle down philosophy tbh. Then you throw in socialism as a magical snake oil cure we are just afraid of.
    That's what it seems to be about, nothing else. Other countries have shown proof-of-concept of the single-payer system, while the American healthcare system is more interested in sickness than in health because there isn't profit in health. Socially funded single payer systems can act more faithfully to the "Do No Harm" concept of medicine while our doctors, beholden to profit, prescribe opiates and SSRIs like candy because that's where the highest margins are. These stats aren't happy accidents.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/coun...g-users-2016-2
    https://www.cnbc.com/2016/04/27/amer...id-supply.html

    Our system is . Again, there's no rational argument against universal healthcare anymore because we see it work in ALL first world countries. So yes, it's the "fear" of the socialism boogeyman that is driving resistance to actually reforming our healthcare system into a first world healthcare system.

    And for the anti-China crowd. Guess what drove pharma to outsource production of meds there? Hmmm? Profit? You don't see us outsourcing an F35's missile guidance system to China. And it's biting us in the ass where we can't even manufacture our own meds, PPE, and other such medical equipment during a pandemic.

    I'll say it again for the 2nd time: Our system is .

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    So Trump should have run on back filling the PPE stockpile?

    Yeah that was in the forefront of concerns here too

    2009, 2010, 2011,2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016
    No you ing idiot, no one said that should have been his election platform.

    I don’t know what point you’re making here. I’ve said Obama ed up in not refilling what he used.

    That doesn’t let your cult leader off the hook. How do you not understand this?

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    So Trump should have run on back filling the PPE stockpile?

    Yeah that was in the forefront of concerns here too

    2009, 2010, 2011,2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016

    I gave him a discount for his 1st year.
    "Did I say three year backlog? I really meant all the years Obama was in office backlog"

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    It's right there, your words. You said a black woman is stupid bull .
    You said a black man stole medical suppiles.

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    Didn't vote, tbh.
    This is bull , tbh. You absolutely voted and it was for Donald Trump. You hate liberals more than you respect your country.

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    Because of a backlog back to 2017.

    Just frantic weird backed into a corner ass talking now
    doesn't understand backlogs.

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    It's right there, your words. You said a black woman is stupid bull .
    Your reading comprehension skills are horrible

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