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    Shared today from a physician colleague, Dr. Daniele Macchini. He is an ICU doc in Bergamo, Italy, which is just northeast of Milan. They are currently on lockdown.
    “After much thought about whether and what to write about what is happening to us, I felt that silence was not responsible. I will therefore try to convey to people far from our reality what we are living in Bergamo in these days of Covid-19 pandemic. I understand the need not to create panic, but when the message of the dangerousness of what is happening does not reach people I shudder.
    I myself watched with some amazement the reorganization of the entire hospital in the past week, when our current enemy was still in the shadows: the wards slowly 'emptied', elective activities were interrupted, intensive care were freed up to create as many beds as possible.
    All this rapid transformation brought an atmosphere of silence and surreal emptiness to the corridors of the hospital that we did not yet understand, waiting for a war that was yet to begin and that many (including me) were not so sure would ever come with such ferocity.
    I still remember my night call a week ago when I was waiting for the results of a swab. When I think about it, my anxiety over one possible case seems almost ridiculous and unjustified, now that I've seen what's happening. Well, the situation now is dramatic to say the least.
    The war has literally exploded and battles are uninterrupted day and night. But now that need for beds has arrived in all its drama. One after the other the departments that had been emptied fill up at an impressive pace.
    The boards with the names of the patients, of different colours depending on the operating unit, are now all red and instead of surgery you see the diagnosis, which is always the damned same: bilateral inters ial pneumonia.
    Now, explain to me which flu virus causes such a rapid drama. And while there are still people who boast of not being afraid by ignoring directions, protesting because their normal routine is 'temporarily' put in crisis, the epidemiological disaster is taking place. And there are no more surgeons, urologists, orthopedists, we are all just doctors who suddenly become part of a single team to face this tsunami that has overwhelmed us.
    Cases are multiplying, they arrive at a rate of 15-20 admissions per day all for the same reason. The results of the swabs now come one after the other: positive, positive, positive. Suddenly the E.R. is collapsing.
    Reasons for the access always the same: fever and breathing difficulties, fever and cough, respiratory failure. Radiology reports always the same: bilateral inters ial pneumonia, bilateral inters ial pneumonia, bilateral inters ial pneumonia. All to be hospitalized.
    Someone already to be intubated and go to intensive care. For others it's too late... Every ventilator becomes like gold: those in operating theatres that have now suspended their non-urgent activity become intensive care places that did not exist before.
    The staff is exhausted. I saw the tiredness on faces that didn't know what it was despite the already exhausting workloads they had. I saw a solidarity of all of us, who never failed to go to our internist colleagues to ask, 'What can I do for you now?'
    Doctors who move beds and transfer patients, who administer therapies instead of nurses. Nurses and doctors with tears in their eyes because we can't save everyone, and the vital parameters of several patients at the same time reveal an already marked destiny.
    There are no more shifts, no more hours. Social life is suspended for us. We no longer see our families for fear of infecting them. Some of us have already become infected despite the protocols.
    Some of our colleagues who are infected also have infected relatives and some of their relatives are already struggling between life and death. So be patient, you can't go to the theatre, museums or the gym. Try to have pity on the myriad of old people you could exterminate.
    We just try to make ourselves useful. You should do the same: we influence the life and death of a few dozen people. You with yours, many more. Please share this message. We must spread the word to prevent what is happening here from happening all over Italy.
    I finish by saying that I really don't understand this war on panic. The only reason I see is mask shortages, but there's no mask on sale anymore. We don't have a lot of studies, but is panic really worse than neglect and carelessness during an epidemic of this sort?"

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    There is no way this doesn't blow up into a worse situation than we're seeing in Italy. Italy offers three days sick leave immediately and then 20 days at half wage after that if you're still sick. While in the US restaurant, fast food, gas station, grocery, WalMart, etc workers are going to be working sick to survive.
    Italy went from 500 cases to declaring the whole country a red zone in two weeks.

    The doubling rate of the infection is estimated to be every six days. Lab companies think it'll be eight weeks until the supply of COVID-19 tests starts to meet demand.

    By then, approximately 1.8 million people in the US will have been infected.

    In the absence of a competent, concerned and prepared government, thoughts and prayers, y'all.

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    What do you think of the GOP's answer to the pandemic being moar tax cuts? Trump's payroll tax cut idea isn't going to pay the rent, electricity, water bill, or groceries to allow hourly workers to self quarantine once infected. We're going to be way more ed than Italy.

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    Have they identified the infected person in Trump's circle that's contaminating everybody?

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    Schools have been shut in most countries with > 500 infections

    Germany, France and USA only ones not to do it

    Germany is preparing to do it, France has banned large gatherings


    meanwhile Ameridumbs sleep walking to a complete disaster

    why are americans so stupid?
    told my minimum wage workers to suck it up and come anyway. Our policy is anybody who is sick for two or more days is immediately fired and blackballed from the industry. I refuse to let anybody work from home either. If you're not in the office you're not working. Period. This country was built on pulling yourself up by your bootstraps even in hard times

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    CDC recommendation was for frail, older people, people with poor health, NOT to fly

    WH blocked that recommendation.

    Everybody keep doing everything like before, covid-19 is hoax by left media.

    Trash gifted at this stuff, he gets it, his uncle John Trump was an MIT professor.

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    So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!

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    PearlJam cancelling their concert because Coronavirus (and because the 5 people that would go to Pearl Jam concert in 2020 may have it)

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    told my minimum wage workers to suck it up and come anyway. Our policy is anybody who is sick for two or more days is immediately fired and blackballed from the industry. I refuse to let anybody work from home either. If you're not in the office you're not working. Period. This country was built on pulling yourself up by your bootstraps even in hard times
    Yup, if I don't need you for 2 days...I don't need you

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    Dr. Drew by way of Ryan Saavedra, are you drunk this morning too?

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    rofl...

    And something has to be said about that pussy Teddy Cruz... niglet is running away from DC as fast as he can with the excuse of self-quarantine...

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    rofl...

    And something has to be said about that pussy Teddy Cruz... niglet is running away from DC as fast as he can with the excuse of self-quarantine...

    It's the responsible thing to do. Lol running away

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    So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!
    We know what to do about the flu. Trumps comments were stupid.

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    In the meantime let's hope the antiviral remdesivir clinical trials the CDC is conducting are successful for helping the seriously ill, maybe China will come out with real data on how chloroquine is working on the larger trial. Chloroquine would be ideal for less wealthy nations if it works, they aren't going to be able to afford remdesivir (intravenous only).

    Religious right will survive unscathed tho


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    I pay my guys however long it takes. Had one with bladder cancer I paid full boat for nine months while he got well.
    You're awesome, but let's not pretend you're not the exception to the rule...

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    FDA/CDC has told disgraced gang raper Bakker to stop with the colloidal silver bull

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    So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!
    546 cases because hardly anyone is getting tested. has been in Washington State for nearly two months and we're supposed to believe there are 546 cases.

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    It's the responsible thing to do. Lol running away
    I wouldn't suspect a responsible person, but we're talking about Ted Cruz here.

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    I wouldn't suspect a responsible person, but we're talking about Ted Cruz here.
    If Ted Cruz was a responsible person he'd be trying to pass a bill to get hourly workers unemployment when they're sick so they could self quarantine and have enough to scrape by while sick so we wouldn't have millions of service workers in America passing this on to everyone at McDonalds, Best Buy, Walmart, 7-11, and so on.

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    If Ted Cruz was a responsible person he'd be trying to pass a bill to get hourly workers unemployment when they're sick so they could self quarantine and have enough to scrape by while sick so we wouldn't have millions of service workers in America passing this on to everyone at McDonalds, Best Buy, Walmart, 7-11, and so on.
    lol, we're talking about Ted Cruz here... the son of the guy that killed JFK...

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    maybe take lots of steroids if you get the virus to prevent the crazy immune overreaction that damages your lungs...

    edit: yup they tried it already. Looks like the study ends 3/30 (unless I'm reading this incorrectly: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04273321)

    https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/06/coron...-say-12359066/

    The effects of Covid-19 on the human body ‘is like a combination of SARS and AIDS as it damages both the lungs and immune systems’, Peng Zhiyong (...) director of Zhongnan Hospital’s ICU in Wuhan, made the comments after speaking to forensic specialist Liu Lang, whose team has reportedly carried out tests on nine patients who had died of the virus. "Based on the results, the most important thing is to take measures at an early stage of the disease to protect patients’ lungs from irreversible fibrosis"

    Pulmonary fibrosis is a lung disease which occurs when tissue becomes damaged and scarred, causing it to become thicker and therefore harder for the lungs to work properly. As it worsens the sufferer becomes progressively short of breath.

    - the autopsy of an 85-year-old man revealed lung damage caused by excess mucus spilling out of tiny air sacs which absorb oxygen, indicating an inflammation response to the virus within the airways

    - not all coronavirus patients will suffer permanent fibrosis. Dr Peng called for measures to help prevent fibrosis of the lungs during the early stages of infection

    - a more aggressive strain was behind the initial outbreak and accounts for 70 per cent of cases, while a milder version is now spreading faster
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    twitter is your friend ma niga

    spread to half dozen countries already

    masks and temp checks at airports are nothing more than crowd control propaganda. they will do nothing to prevent spread

    and if it mutates 1 more time... game ova
    called it on page 1 months ago tbqh

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    the panic is getting out of hand tbqh

    ppl need to face the fact that its a new world but stop crying and continue life

    wash hands and act like someone goddam people looking scared less out on the streets

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    546 cases because hardly anyone is getting tested. has been in Washington State for nearly two months and we're supposed to believe there are 546 cases.
    If Ted Cruz was a responsible person he'd be trying to pass a bill to get hourly workers unemployment when they're sick so they could self quarantine and have enough to scrape by while sick so we wouldn't have millions of service workers in America passing this on to everyone at McDonalds, Best Buy, Walmart, 7-11, and so on.
    Here's what South Korea is doing:


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