How does that work out with the fact that only certain regions are seeing a e in cases though? Wouldn't "doctors around the world" also mean " es around the world" too?
You’d have to look at each place’s severity of each outbreak to gauge reluctance to go to the hospital for non-Covid.
If that's the case then there is no vaccine coming to save the day. His larger point would still stand though which is the other side of this pandemic looks the same for everyone, every where in the world. I think his quote was the other side isn't red or blue, it's all covid color.
I do enjoy reading the debate over which party the virus likes/dislikes more though.
It depends on counting cases. It depends on who has opened hospitals for electives. It depends on if those hospitals test. It depends on the media. Too many variables. You dont even have e defined
Have you? Is that on the Blaze article?
You can also look at hospital census discharge and new hospitalization based on media craze
He was on Chris Wallace this morning.
Past epidemics never had an strictly exponential infection rate. They shoot up and then level off or subside completely (or almost) only to return again. No one knows why, just various theories. This is a biology problem not a math problem.
This is why I haven't been talking seriously on this topic anymore. The other side of this looks the same for Sweden and Denmark, New York and Texas. Only a vaccine can change that and it would be a miracle if we got one before 2022. Especially considering we've never been able to make a vaccine for the other 4 endemic HCoV's.
Osterholm is good, and he warned us about not taking this seriously, which we didn't to begin with.
About vaccines, I was reading that the issue now is that with the virus both mutating and leveling out in most of the world, it gets difficult to find good samples of patients to test them on.
Basically how I've felt overall lately as well, tbh. This is a sandwich we're all going to have to take a bite out of at one point or another. Just have to deal with it the best we can.
That's not what he was talking about. Viruses have a life all their own, we don't know why.
That's not to say we can't affect it by our actions but it will still have a life cycle of it's own regardless of what we do. Basically we all have the same destination locked in our gps, different places may take slightly different paths but in the end we all end up in the same place.
What you quoted wasn't about Osterholm, but rationalizing why we will see es in infections without looking for obscure reasons. This is in the short term.
Long term, I agree we're going to be dealing with this thing as it comes.
I think you still don't get it. This is the 5th endemic human coronavirus, in other words the 5th time in human history a coronavirus has successfully mutated to us. So if you strip away trying to blame someone for that you'll see that was a brief period of time in China where maybe, maybe, this virus could have been stopped but once it was out of the bag it was just out and that's that.
Who knows maybe Hillary would have shut down all borders in December but then what. It's just prolonging the inevitable. The virus will burn through the population globally. Slow, fast, matters not. The other side is the same for everyone.
I just meant exponential early on when infection rates are low, like how Italy and NYC had near perfect exponential death counts in March before the time delay from lockdowns really kicked in for the death rates. That even an absolute best case scenario of a vaccine distributed to the most at risk of our general population by the end of the year would be unlikely to save us from massive death counts.
I had to stop watching the national news because I got sick of the bull hope they keep feeding viewers about vaccines and cures. I guess saying sucks isn't good for ratings.
That's basically it. We'll probably make it as bad as possible because it seems we are either so scared we shut down in a completely unsustainable way or we are just saying it.
I've never had hopes for a vaccine, tbh.
Be a shame if common vitamins and simple dietary changes reduced bad outcomes. That's not being communicated.
We're so ing addicted to sugar in the US that I don't think the communication would matter tbh.
I got my mom to start taking vitamin D, in mass quan ies. The evidence is overwhelming at this point.
Your point about sugar is spot on. Especially, if it's high fructose corn syrup. If you want to die, eat that.
This is ridiculous. It *is* the 5th endemic, it's not the 1st or 2nd. We had experts like him telling us what we needed to do to contain it. He never said we were going to stop it, but things we could do to make the situation manageable.
Frankly, it's baffling how you have to come up with excuses for this at this point. Nobody is blaming anybody for not having a cure, or stopping the virus in it's track, it's never been about that.
I doubt that. It's all genetics imo. It's ust the way mother nature is. You get the wrong genetic card you get the axe. She's a cruel who thinks mercy is overrated.
Lol no.
I hope you're not talking about the way Thread gives his mother the Vitamin D tbh.
I said it was the 5th so idk wtf your talking about
I think it was on a Joe Rogan interview very early on where he said flat out we have never been able to stop these types of respiratory viruses. So be more specific, "experts like him"????
Just more vague nonsense that's been going on for 100's of pages.
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Well take your flintstones multivitamin then. You'll be alright.
Called it
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