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    This isn't new.

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    In April, HHS leaders, with input from CDC, created a new system, called HHS Protect, that allows us to combine data through systems like NHSN, as well as other public and private sources. The data reported from hospitals that went into HHS Protect either came through the NHSN, directly to HHS Protect from the states, or through a system called TeleTracking.

    What we have now asked is that, going forward, states provide data from hospitals directly through the TeleTracking system or directly to the HHS Protect system.

    First, this reduces the reporting burden—it reduces confusion and duplication of reporting. Streamlining reporting enables us to distribute scarce resources using the best possible data.

    TeleTracking also provides rapid ways to update the type of data we are collecting—such as adding, for instance, input fields on what kind of treatments are being used. In order to meet this need for flexible data gathering, CDC agreed that we needed to remove NHSN from the collection process, in order to streamline reporting.

    https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020/...ollection.html
    But there's no transparent body acting as an intermediary anymore, posting data public we all have access to. Only those with "clearance" have access to the data now, including a private firm. This is bad because it locks out experts who aren't in the "inner circle" and who rely on the CDC data to study what is going on.

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    It begins.


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    Considering the death/infection trend, they lose Florida easily if the actual numbers come out, IMO...

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    My understanding is that now data will go to DC, then DC will feed the CDC...

    So that panel will likely receive updates again in the future, just not directly from hospitals, but with a previous stop through DC.

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    If that is the case it's stupid. John Hopkins will still be available to the public so we aren't in the dark.
    Sure, and one would hope the numbers don't start to diverge. If they do not, there's nothing to this.

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    But there's no transparent body acting as an intermediary anymore, posting data public we all have access to. Only those with "clearance" have access to the data now, including a private firm. This is bad because it locks out experts who aren't in the "inner circle" and who rely on the CDC data to study what is going on.
    Actually, last I read HHS Protect is run by Peter Thiel's Palantir... a well known Trump fan and donor...

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    Florida and Georgia were supposed to be “inevitable”, what happened?
    Florida Alone Just Exceeded the Entire U.K. in Confirmed Coronavirus Cases
    https://www.newsweek.com/florida-alo...-cases-1518094

    Didn't age well did it?
    Last edited by RandomGuy; 07-17-2020 at 09:53 AM. Reason: rule one

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    Florida Alone Just Exceeded the Entire U.K. in Confirmed Coronavirus Cases
    https://www.newsweek.com/florida-alo...-cases-1518094

    Stupid mother er.

    Didn't age well did it?
    Overlay the amount of testing per capita and then do deaths per capita.

    stupid mother er

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    Overlay the amount of testing per capita and then do deaths per capita.

    stupid mother er
    UK has 187k tests per 1M population. Florida has 131k.

    deaths are nowhere near, though

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    Florida Alone Just Exceeded the Entire U.K. in Confirmed Coronavirus Cases
    https://www.newsweek.com/florida-alo...-cases-1518094

    Stupid mother er.

    Didn't age well did it?

    Can you use a larger font? Having trouble reading your post.

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    Florida Alone Just Exceeded the Entire U.K. in Confirmed Coronavirus Cases
    https://www.newsweek.com/florida-alo...-cases-1518094

    Stupid mother er.

    Didn't age well did it?
    oh look big letters and underline too...

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    Overlay the amount of testing per capita and then do deaths per capita.

    stupid mother er
    Florida won't become the UK. We know that. Places like NY, UK, and dense population centers with mass transit and people packed into apartment buildings are where the disease thrives. But RandomGuy's point was correct. Florida was inevitable. They'll probably wind up around 500ish deaths per million after this wave, which places them in Italy territory.

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    Riddled With Lies': Analysis Finds Fox News Covid-19 Coverage Featured Misinformation 253 Times in Just Five Days

    The network, said an MMFA researcher,

    "downplays the threat of the virus,

    dismisses the recommendations of public health officials, and

    misrepresents the scientific consensus on the disease."

    from July 6 through 10, according to a national media watchdog group that do ented at least

    253 instances of the network's coverage

    undermining science,

    politicizing the pandemic,

    emphasizing economic issues, and

    promoting other lies or

    problematic positions in those five days alone.

    https://www.commondreams.org/news/20...nformation-253







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    Florida won't become the UK. We know that. Places like NY, UK, and dense population centers with mass transit and people packed into apartment buildings are where the disease thrives. But RandomGuy's point was correct. Florida was inevitable. They'll probably wind up around 500ish deaths per million after this wave, which places them in Italy territory.
    Ny did it to itself with the nursing home cuomo fail.

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    Florida Alone Just Exceeded the Entire U.K. in Confirmed Coronavirus Cases
    https://www.newsweek.com/florida-alo...-cases-1518094

    Stupid mother er.

    Didn't age well did it?
    and?

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    Georgia governor sues to stop Atlanta mask mandate

    Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp sued Thursday to stop Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms from mandating masks be worn in the city to prevent the spread of coronavirus.

    The legal actions comes after prominent Democratic mayors in the state pledged to challenge an executive order by Kemp barring local mask mandates. Bottoms defiantly declared, “I am not afraid of the city being sued.”

    Kemp made that a reality, writing on Twitter that his lawsuit "is on behalf of the Atlanta business owners and their hardworking employees who are struggling to survive during these difficult times."

    "We will fight to stop these reckless actions and put people over pandemic politics," Kemp wrote.

    On Wednesday, Kemp banned localities from ordering people to wear masks in public to stop the spread of coronavirus. Mayors across the state hit back at Kemp and accused him of playing politics during a pandemic.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...e-masks-366497

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    A senior living center my company manages just got all of its residents and employees tested and over half came back positive, almost all of which are asymptomatic, the others with minor symptoms they’ll recover from, and these are people in their mid to late 80s. That kind of stuff is what makes me think there’s been a lot more exposure than any of us realize.
    For those who care or are interested - 6 of the residents who tested positive are now dead, and 3 more are on ho e. I was hopeful the virus has mutated, but I’m not convinced anymore.

    None of the other senior care centers we own have had any COVID, but once COVID gets inside an assisted living facility or nursing home, it spreads like wildfire and there’s only so much that can be done to stop it.

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    Worth noting also that the facility is now doing weekly testing of all residents and employees, but has yet to get results back for the last two weeks of tests, which is un ingbelievable.

    Our healthcare system was grossly unprepared for this several months ago and still doesn’t have the necessary resources to address it. This has been a problem for senior care centers across the country, even when they have positive COVID cases and need to be able to promptly get test results back to contact trace, there have been several week wait times for results.

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    It begins.


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    Public health specialists and former health officials acknowledged that the CDC's data reporting infrastructure was limited, and said it needs to be overhauled to meet the demands of the Covid-19 pandemic. However, they expressed concern in interviews with CNBC that the change could lead to less transparent data.

    When reached for comment Thursday by CNBC, HHS spokesman Michael Caputo said in a statement that the CDC was directed to make the data available again. In the future, he said, HHS will provide "more powerful insights."

    "Yes, HHS is committed to being transparent with the American public about the information it is collecting on the coronavirus," he said. "Therefore, HHS has directed CDC to re-establish the coronavirus dashboards it withdrew from the public on Wednesday."

    https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/07/16/...mpression=true

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    Hopefully it gets routed to both at the same time. If it has go though the HHS channel before JHU, then...

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    Testing and PPE were identified as national priorities four months ago.

    Where are on that?


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    Brace yourself for the latest COVID-19 predictions.

    You're not going to like them

    Just two weeks ago, when Dr. Anthony Fauci predicted that

    the United States could see
    100,000 cases of COVID-19 in a day, it seemed like a nightmare scenario

    Tuesday was the second day the nation logged over 70,000 cases in a day.

    It was also the first time the United States recorded over 1,000 deaths from COVID-19 since June 9.

    Fauci’s prediction that was disturbing at the start of the month,

    looks like it could end up undershooting the real situation as badly as Pence did.

    The reasons for that are simple enough:

    We have governors who are willing to
    kill their people to score political points,

    we have a government determined to
    hide the truth of what’s happening, and

    we have people who are
    intentionally destroying their communities to own … whoever is left to care.

    And the result is that instead of 100,000 cases a day,

    the United States could be facing
    a million cases a day.

    Herd immunity, here we come … with half a million dead in tow.

    no other nation has so thoroughly discarded both science and reason in

    a process of self-destruction that seems purposeful in its malevolence.


    this is “
    a weaponized virus.” It is.

    Americans have weaponized it to kill other Americans.

    There remains some hope, because not every governor is Ron DeSantis (Florida) or Brian Kemp (Georgia).

    Even the most ardent Republican politicians are going to have a hard time throwing their citizens into mass graves to please a man who will be out of office in January.

    there are now almost 2 million confirmed active cases of COVID-19 in the United States.

    That number is probably something closer to 20 million,

    They’re already too late to keep the total number of dead from reaching something between 300,000 and 400,000.

    The always optimistic IHME model is now projecting 224,000 by November 1. That’s just … where we are.

    Daily Beast is currently projecting that before the end of the year, half of all Americans could have been infected by COVID-19 and 800,000 could die.

    Those are the kinds of numbers that wouldn’t just overrun the healthcare system,

    they would overrun a lot of systems.

    If 800,000 die from COVID-19, they won’t die alone.

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/1961288



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    oh look big letters and underline too...
    I need reading glasses these days.

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    White House: Science shouldn't 'stand in the way' of school openings



    You have your marching orders now, bootlick. Trying to convince people with science is passe, so you can stop trying to post studies about how safe children 10 and under are, while ignoring the risks to teenagers.

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    Overlay the amount of testing per capita and then do deaths per capita.

    stupid mother er
    Dude, you need to start a goal post moving company. Hire some guys. Put that expertise to work.

    Got any other new excuses?

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