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    Man, mid cuts through bull like a samurai sword

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    Man, mid cuts through bull like a samurai sword
    I try my best.

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    He's linking a pre-print by a known professor turned Covid truther. No one believes the coming out of Ioannidis's mouth.
    Well, I'm more inclined to believe his words after he went to his bunker for a couple months:

    By February, we missed the window for nipping the novel coronavirus in the bud. Had we acted earlier, with aggressive testing, tracing, and isolating, like the South Koreans, the Taiwanese and the Singaporeans did, the virus wouldn't have spread as wildly as it did. The biggest lesson from this pandemic is that the costs of delaying controlling the infection can be substantial. Act decisively in haste or repent at leisure.

    Once we missed the boat, the lockdown was inevitable. I say "inevitable" grudgingly because I don't think it should have reached that eventuality.

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    Dozens of Mississippi lawmakers have coronavirus after weeks of refusing to wear masks

    About one in six state lawmakers have tested positive for the coronavirus,

    Twenty-six state legislators have now tested positive for Covid-19,

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/10/us/mi...rnd/index.html

    The Confederacy, it's what's wrong, regressive, constipating, ed up about America.



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    Birx is the ing culprit. Jesus this is criminal

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    RE-OPEN SCHOOLS NOW

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    Trash/Barr could see the pandemic out of control and decide to take advantage.

    With the pandemic raging even worse (flu season) in October, 30M infected, they could postpone the election and declare a national emergency (isn't there already one declared?).

    Then the postponement could drag on for months, while Trash/Barr go full "Nero decree" on Federal govt.

    If people protest by the 10Ms against the postponement, then Trash/Barr declare martial law call out CBP/ICE/Erik Prince/police/sheriffs/National Guard into the streets, with shoot-to-kill orders, to maintain peace.

    Nothing is "unthinkable" with Trash, Barr, Repugs, and the 5 political hacks on SCOTUS



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    And this is why herd immunity (or Derp Immunity) is a massively stupid idea.

    From Italy came just disturbing news that many infected people who are not in the risk groups can be at great risk of never recovering from covid-19. In the Netherlands, a study was recently conducted on 1,622 covid-19 patients with long-term symptoms. The average age of these patients was 53 years and 91 percent of them had not needed hospital care during the course of the disease and thus fall into the category of "mild symptoms". Before they fell ill, 85 percent of these people were classified as healthy. One to several months after falling ill with covid-19, only 6 percent considered themselves healthy.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus...tients_awaits/

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    Good thing kids can't get it


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    Good thing kids can't get it

    "But they don't really have any symptoms!"

    See my above post about the long term effects Covid is having in many patients who had mild symptoms. It's insane to send kids back to school wholesale before any studies determining if they are at risk of suffering long term health issues.

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    time flies

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    Just the flu, hospitalizations flat, ifr, bwahahaha, lolololol, set 2s at 45% skillz, etc, etc

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    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2550-z


    "Here, we first studied T cell responses to structural (nucleocapsid protein, NP) and non-structural (NSP-7 and NSP13 of ORF1) regions of SARS-CoV-2 in COVID-19 convalescents (n=36). In all of them we demonstrated the presence of CD4 and CD8 T cells recognizing multiple regions of the NP protein. We then showed that SARS-recovered patients (n=23) still possess long-lasting memory T cells reactive to SARS-NP 17 years after the 2003 outbreak, which displayed robust cross-reactivity to SARS-CoV-2 NP. Surprisingly, we also frequently detected SARS-CoV-2 specific T cells in individuals with no history of SARS, COVID-19 or contact with SARS/COVID-19 patients (n=37)."

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    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2550-z


    "Here, we first studied T cell responses to structural (nucleocapsid protein, NP) and non-structural (NSP-7 and NSP13 of ORF1) regions of SARS-CoV-2 in COVID-19 convalescents (n=36). In all of them we demonstrated the presence of CD4 and CD8 T cells recognizing multiple regions of the NP protein. We then showed that SARS-recovered patients (n=23) still possess long-lasting memory T cells reactive to SARS-NP 17 years after the 2003 outbreak, which displayed robust cross-reactivity to SARS-CoV-2 NP. Surprisingly, we also frequently detected SARS-CoV-2 specific T cells in individuals with no history of SARS, COVID-19 or contact with SARS/COVID-19 patients (n=37)."
    I'm not really bullish anymore on that many people being naturally immune. Why? We inadvertently got a controlled study out of a Texas prison:

    A North Texas federal prison has more than 1,000 inmates with COVID-19, one of whom has died from the virus, NBC News reports.

    According to the report, the Federal Correctional Ins ute at Seagoville has 1,798 inmates total and at least 1,072 have tested positive for coronavirus.
    https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...e-for-covid-19

    This casts doubt on the theory that Covid naturally dies out when 20 percent of the population becomes infected, theory first proposed by Levitt. Now Covid can certainly die out at 20 percent infected if we employ proper mitigation. But the prison situation shows it doesn't just die out "naturally" regardless of mitigation or no mitigation.

    I'm also not too crazy about willingly employing herd immunity due to this recent study.

    From Italy came just disturbing news that many infected people who are not in the risk groups can be at great risk of never recovering from covid-19. In the Netherlands, a study was recently conducted on 1,622 covid-19 patients with long-term symptoms. The average age of these patients was 53 years and 91 percent of them had not needed hospital care during the course of the disease and thus fall into the category of "mild symptoms". Before they fell ill, 85 percent of these people were classified as healthy. One to several months after falling ill with covid-19, only 6 percent considered themselves healthy.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus...tients_awaits/

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    Just the flu, hospitalizations flat, ifr, bwahahaha, lolololol, set 2s at 45% skillz, etc, etc
    That video was posted in June and is a hospital in Mexico.

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    I'm not really bullish anymore on that many people being naturally immune. Why? We inadvertently got a controlled study out of a Texas prison:



    https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...e-for-covid-19

    This casts doubt on the theory that Covid naturally dies out when 20 percent of the population becomes infected, theory first proposed by Levitt. Now Covid can certainly die out at 20 percent infected if we employ proper mitigation. But the prison situation shows it doesn't just die out "naturally" regardless of mitigation or no mitigation.

    I'm also not too crazy about willingly employing herd immunity due to this recent study.



    https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus...tients_awaits/


    If it doesn't fade with 20% infected, we should see resurgence of cases in NY, right?

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    If it doesn't fade with 20% infected, we should see resurgence of cases in NY, right?
    no, if NYC continues mask wearing and distancing.

    NYC banned in-door dining, again, 2 weeks ago due to some resurgence.

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    If it doesn't fade with 20% infected, we should see resurgence of cases in NY, right?
    You're still missing the point. It CAN fade with 20 percent infected if there's post-mitigation. New York is nowhere near normal mobility.

    https://covid19.healthdata.org/unite...erica/new-york

    Combination of 20 percent infected plus closed down bars, churches, and other indoor public venues plus mask wearing and social distancing will go a long way. I'm arguing against the idea that it just goes away "naturally" after a certain threshold. The prison situation was a controlled environment and spread didn't stop at 20 percent.

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    You're still missing the point. It CAN fade with 20 percent infected if there's post-mitigation. New York is nowhere near normal mobility.

    https://covid19.healthdata.org/unite...erica/new-york

    Combination of 20 percent infected plus closed down bars, churches, and other indoor public venues plus mask wearing and social distancing will go a long way. I'm arguing against the idea that it just goes away "naturally" after a certain threshold. The prison situation was a controlled environment and spread didn't stop at 20 percent.
    LololIooloi

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    You're still missing the point. It CAN fade with 20 percent infected if there's post-mitigation. New York is nowhere near normal mobility.

    https://covid19.healthdata.org/unite...erica/new-york

    Combination of 20 percent infected plus closed down bars, churches, and other indoor public venues plus mask wearing and social distancing will go a long way. I'm arguing against the idea that it just goes away "naturally" after a certain threshold. The prison situation was a controlled environment and spread didn't stop at 20 percent.

    I don't think the prison is a good model, especially if they weren't catching cases early and quarantining individuals.

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    I don't think the prison is a good model, especially if they weren't catching cases early and quarantining individuals.

    THAT is mitigation. The prison is a great model because it shows Covid doesn't magically disappear at 20 percent infected because many people are "naturally immune."

    What the prison situation reveals is that a city can't simply respond with, "Well, data shows we're at 20 percent infected. Open it all back up, tell people they don't have to wear masks, go ahead and crowd bars and movie theaters, it's over!"

    Similar thing happens on this French ship. 1046 infected out of 1760 personnel.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-...rles_de_Gaulle

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    Good catch. Maybe I won't swim the river to safety lol.

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    Good catch. Maybe I won't swim the river to safety lol.
    see here for Mexico, disastrous, and increasing

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    THAT is mitigation. The prison is a great model because it shows Covid doesn't magically disappear at 20 percent infected because many people are "naturally immune."

    What the prison situation reveals is that a city can't simply respond with, "Well, data shows we're at 20 percent infected. Open it all back up, tell people they don't have to wear masks, go ahead and crowd bars and movie theaters, it's over!"

    Similar thing happens on this French ship. 1046 infected out of 1760 personnel.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-...rles_de_Gaulle
    bwahahahahahhahHa wrong

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