It doesn't end the thread at all.
you just want to cover up your failure.
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/pres...ing-diagnostic
Chumpdump midnightpulp trying to let this slip under rug. Baseline bum doesn't even know what this means. Blake will say this is all trumps fault, and random guy will talk about every hospital but only in America being over capacity.
Lol /thread
It doesn't end the thread at all.
you just want to cover up your failure.
Never been wrong
Chumpdump doesn't even understand this. Loloolol
Why don't you use ignore feature? I did
Because he knows I'm right about everything. Can't ignore the factZ
Read the write up.
Highly speculative.Friston referred to some kind of “immunological dark matter” as the only plausible explanation for the huge disparity in results between countries in an interview with the Guardian last weekend.
This is wrong. UK went head on into a full herd immunity strategy early on, with Boris Johnson even endorsing to go out to the pubs and socialize. Germany's outcome is precisely an effect of better testing and cautious social distancing. They were testing more people than any other Western country at the beginning. Germany also has the highest beds per capita in Europe, 4x higher than that of the UK.His models suggest that the stark difference between outcomes in the UK and Germany, for example, is not primarily an effect of different government actions (such as better testing and earlier lockdowns) but is better explained by intrinsic differences between the populations that make the “susceptible population” in Germany — the group that is vulnerable to Covid-19 — much smaller than in the UK.
https://www.ft.com/content/d979c0e9-...a-bbffa9cecfe6
And I'm certain social factors play a role here, too. UK probably has the most famous pub culture in the world, with bars packed shoulder-to-shoulder. I don't think Germany's pub culture is as prevalent. Not to mention the UK's mass transit system, which is probably the busiest in the western world. Also, let's look at comparative overweight/obesity rates.
There is zero evidence Germans have some magic "immunological dark matter" that makes them more resistant to infection. Now might they be more resistant to severe outcomes than the UK? Sure, since the UK is an unhealthier country.Data released by the World Health Organisation in 2014 showed that while an issue of growing concern, within the European Union, Germany had incidence of overweight and obese adults as a percentage of the total population at 54.8% as in comparison with France at 60.7%, Spain at 60.9% or the United Kingdom at 63.4%.
What's this even mean? Susceptible to infection or susceptible to severe outcomes? He doesn't define what susceptible means, so any conclusion here is vague. If he means 80 percent of the population won't wind up in the ICU, we already know that. That said, this interview took place over a month ago and we're finding out that "mild" cases can have long term effects.As he told me in our interview, even within the UK, the numbers point to the same thing: that the “effective susceptible population” was never 100%, and was at most 50% and probably more like only 20% of the population.
https://thehill.com/changing-america...-be-as-mild-asAnother factor to consider is that some of the symptoms and health issues caused by the virus may not be apparent until later. Some individuals are discovering complications as long as two months after they’ve had SARS-CoV-2. CNN anchor Richard Quest says in an article on the site that he’s still discovering areas of damage, including a newfound level of clumsiness.
This is the problem here:
We have too many experts outside of virologists, immunologists, and epidemiologists suffering from ultracrepidarianism (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ultracrepidarianism) and trying to make a name for themselves by being contrarian to the consensus. I'm not trying to appeal to authority, but this isn't his field. Michael Levitt broke the mold early on when articles about him predicting Wuhan's outbreak went viral and thus put a "Nobel Prize winner" in the lockdown skeptic's corner. Dig deeper and Levitt's prediction wasn't at all prescient. He simply kept changing it.Professor Karl Friston, like Michael Levitt, is a statistician not a virologist; his expertise is in understanding complex and dynamic biological processes by representing them in mathematical models.
Levitt keeps doubling down on his claim that the virus has a "natural curve" regardless of what mitigation factors a community employs, of course his argument being that people are just naturally immune. I don't buy that because of all the instances of where 60-70 percent of a population got infected, whether it was a prison, naval ship, or New York borough. What is most likely happening in these instances where the virus starts receding at 20 percent infected or whatever is a result of social behavior, not a result of some immunological "dark matter." People see reports of the virus ravaging their community and they stay home, go out less, wear masks, etc. And that small reduction in R0 pays dividends. Exponential decay is just as impactful as exponential growth.
Mid you call it highly speculative then spend the rest of your response speculating. You used the term "magical" as if anyone ever claimed this missing link (dark matter) is supernatural. Tagging it with "magical" just creates a strawman and shows you dismissed it right away, and even made a bit of folly of it.
That said, I agree that many scientists are using this opportunity to advertise themselves. You can see this guy reveling in the attention, he reminds me of the guy from The Fringe, not nearly as bright.
If there's no evidence for something, it should be dismissed right away. He explains away the UK vs German differences with it and doesn't acknowledge that Germany has more hospital beds, less obesity, and more robust testing. No, none of that played a role. Germans are more immune than the British because reasons.
(Coughs in *cradle to grave healthcare*)
Our immunology is pretty ancient. Could it be that past encounters with similar viruses are protecting some populations?
In San Antonio, caucasians are 30% of the population, but only 17% of cases.
What, then, is driving case numbers and deaths down, particularly in hard-hit areas?
Latinos work more frontline jobs, live in smaller spaces with more family members, are more multigenerational. I would guess the average Latino in Texas is fatter than the average white. Yep:
I'm agnostic on the Vitamin D theory until we test that theory.
What you're saying makes sense. I'm just curious why some hard-hit places are doing very good now?
Like what
Maybe some countries are super badass at handling epidemics, or maybe something else is going on?
I don't know.
Well, we're terrible at it. So there's that.
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