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    The 120 deaths on that day weren't "accurate". And again, if I'm not spamming misinfo from either than what is the problem?
    Do you think saying only 9 died today is "accurate" considering how the lag works? He knows what he's doing.

    Also, I don't have a problem with you retweeting, I'm just trying to illustrate the sneaky tricks they use to downplay or force reopening. Why is this a concern? Because I'm sure some of Hart's tripe found its way on the screens of policy makers. This tweet sums it up.

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    how is that socialized medicine?
    How is it not?

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    Do you think saying only 9 died today is "accurate" considering how the lag works? He knows what he's doing.

    Also, I don't have a problem with you spamming, I'm just trying to illustrate the sneaky tricks they use to downplay or force reopening. Why is this a concern? Because I'm sure some of Hart's tripe found its way on the screens of policy makers. This tweet sums it up.

    No its not. The difference is no one is saying that there aren't more deaths today. The point is you are using the 120 to make to correlations that are incorrect.

    1. That the virus is spreading
    2. That case increase is increasing fatalities.

    Both of these are proven incorrect by using more than one inaccurate raw number stat.

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    someone on twitter I reposted. Blake can't refute what was posted but finds it hilarious since they don't go by their real name and he doesn't know who gummi actually is. Somehow he doesn't find the handles we go by on Spurstalk as hilarious.
    Just for kicks I checked his latest tweets and there was this:



    What's this about tbh?

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    because it doesn't do anything to turn a private sector business into one that is publicly or collectively owned

    it's a regulation. like everything else in the FDA. that's not socialism. what's next, are speed limits socialist?

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    Do you think saying only 9 died today is "accurate" considering how the lag works? He knows what he's doing.

    Also, I don't have a problem with you retweeting, I'm just trying to illustrate the sneaky tricks they use to downplay or force reopening. Why is this a concern? Because I'm sure some of Hart's tripe found its way on the screens of policy makers. This tweet sums it up.

    I can't read the tweet on the work browser I'm on. Post the whole link inside the tweet brackets so I can copy/paste in a new window.

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    Just for kicks I checked his latest tweets and there was this:



    What's this about tbh?
    I can't read the tweet on the work browser I'm on. Post the whole link inside the tweet brackets so I can copy/paste in a new window.

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    No its not. The difference is no one is saying that there aren't more deaths today. The point is you are using the 120 to make to correlations that are incorrect.

    1. That the virus is spreading
    2. That case increase is increasing fatalities.

    Both of these are proven incorrect by using more than one inaccurate raw number stat.
    Unless it's some huge backlog dump, like NY dumping some 1000 deaths in June, yes, rising fatalities do correlate with a worsening situation, even if there's some backlog mixed in. This is even more true if hospitalizations are rising. Justin and the truthers fall for this every month. "Hey guys, the evil media reported 100 deaths. But what's really going on? Oh, half of those deaths were from a month ago! Nothing to see here." But they don't recognize or intentionally omit that increasing deaths point to a trend. The actuals will tend to "pull up" and converge to the reported over time. See here.



    Boiled down, if there's not some huge dump, the "reported" is an accurate report of where the situation is trending.

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    I can't read the tweet on the work browser I'm on. Post the whole link inside the tweet brackets so I can copy/paste in a new window.

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    because it doesn't do anything to turn a private sector business into one that is publicly or collectively owned

    it's a regulation. like everything else in the FDA. that's not socialism. what's next, are speed limits socialist?
    Interesting take. I just saw the governor disagreed with the dept of heath.

    I think he's going at it from a choice perspective. Which is really what this whole thing amounts to.

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    Interesting take.
    its not really a take. its knowing what socialism is. even medicare for all, as proposed by bernie, isn't really "socialized healthcare" but rather "socialized health insurance." the healthcare industry itself (doctors, hospitals, etc) would remain private under his model. government just takes over the role of insurers and pays for treatment

    I just saw the governor disagreed with the dept of heath.

    I think he's going at it from a choice perspective. Which is really what this whole thing amounts to.
    and you can disagree with them. but or whatever reason people on the right are conditioned to think that things they dont like are automatically socialist or fascist or w/e. it could just a policy you dont like without being either of those things

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    Unless it's some huge backlog dump, like NY dumping some 1000 deaths in June, yes, rising fatalities do correlate with a worsening situation, even if there's some backlog mixed in. This is even more true if hospitalizations are rising. Justin and the truthers fall for this every month. "Hey guys, the evil media reported 100 deaths. But what's really going on? Oh, half of those deaths were from a month ago! Nothing to see here." But they don't recognize or intentionally omit that increasing deaths point to a trend. The actuals will tend to "pull up" and converge to the reported over time. See here.



    Boiled down, if there's not some huge dump, the "reported" is an accurate report of where the situation is trending.
    You are incorrect in multiple ways.

    You are assuming that there is a consistency among how much they report regularly. Which if so, should be illegal.

    Second you are still not measuring the severity of the disease.


    Carry on. You will never be good at math

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    I'll have to check this guy's twitter page out moving forward


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    I'll have to check this guy's twitter page out moving forward

    His model has been very accurate predicting FL's trajectory. And he was projecting early, when FL was reporting around 30 deaths per day. Many truthers told him to stop fear mongering when he projected in the coming weeks FL would start seeing over 100 deaths per day.


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    His model has been very accurate predicting FL's trajectory. And he was projecting early, when FL was reporting around 30 deaths per day. Many truthers told him to stop fear mongering when he projected in the coming weeks FL would start seeing over 100 deaths per day.

    Now do it and separate ages. Then compare to fl deaths annually historically. Then discern for the deaths caused by lockdown.

    Your logic is still terrible

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    Looks like he commented on the drop in GDP, got it wrong, and admitted it.

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    Looks like he commented on the drop in GDP, got it wrong, and admitted it.
    Looks like he's backtracking in hydroxychloroquine a bit too. Great source of info, thanks for sharing

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    Now do it and separate ages. Then compare to fl deaths annually historically. Then discern for the deaths caused by lockdown.

    Your logic is still terrible
    Why separate ages? Do old people not count?

    You can't compare deaths to historical deaths, because environmental and medical conditions change year to year. That's why they project a baseline for deaths. Here's how FL is looking:

    9 FL 7400 (6600,8200)

    7400 excess deaths.

    https://weinbergerlab.github.io/excess_pi_covid/

    Please write DeSantis and tell him to shutdown and issue a mask mandate.

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    Why separate ages? Do old people not count?

    You can't compare deaths to historical deaths, because environmental and medical conditions change year to year. That's why they project a baseline for deaths. Here's how FL is looking:

    9 FL 7400 (6600,8200)

    7400 excess deaths.

    https://weinbergerlab.github.io/excess_pi_covid/

    Please write DeSantis and tell him to shutdown and issue a mask mandate.
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    1. Your logic is awful again. You can con0are to historical and you should and you did otherwise you wouldn't have been able to state excess deaths.


    2. Your posts clearly indicated you have no concept of statistics probability or any thing to do with distribution.


    It's comedic like RandomGuy at this point.

    3. You still dont know how cases or deaths are counted but willing to make graphs about undefined terms /thread

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    1. Your logic is awful again. You can con0are to historical and you should and you did otherwise you wouldn't have been able to state excess deaths.


    2. Your posts clearly indicated you have no concept of statistics probability or any thing to do with distribution.


    It's comedic like RandomGuy at this point.

    3. You still dont know how cases or deaths are counted but willing to make graphs about undefined terms /thread
    yeah, let's compare current excess deaths with the death rate in 1930 when they didn't have a polio vaccine. This is what I mean when medical variables can change, even by the year. If we found a cure for cancer tomorrow, you wouldn't compare 2021 excess deaths with 2020's baseline. You "project" based on current variables.

    Deaths are counted through a diagnosis of covid via test or doctor's discretion. And if anything, we're UNDERCOUNTING. For every brisket death attributed to Covid, there's 100 more deaths not labeled Covid.

    Wear a mask.

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    Lololollk Con0are

    Bwahaha Old man can barely type in between spamming f5.

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    over 800 deaths already being reported today per worldometer... and CA/Texas data isn't even in yet

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    yeah, let's compare current excess deaths with the death rate in 1930 when they didn't have a polio vaccine. This is what I mean when medical variables can change, even by the year. If we found a cure for cancer tomorrow, you wouldn't compare 2021 excess deaths with 2020's baseline. You "project" based on current variables.

    Deaths are counted through a diagnosis of covid via test or doctor's discretion. And if anything, we're UNDERCOUNTING. For every brisket death attributed to Covid, there's 100 more deaths not labeled Covid.

    Wear a mask.
    bwahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahah

    Then stop using excess fatalities. Man you are low iq.

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    bwahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahah

    Then stop using excess fatalities. Man you are low iq.
    didn't even understand the point, per par.

    And wear a mask.

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