DDR
Forbes
LMA
in that order
It matters because if he is willing to go to team X, Y, or Z and we are not willing to trade with them, then only a team that is $27M+ under the salary cap can sign him. Not many teams like that. So if he wants to go somewhere, his best course of action is to get an agreement with the FO to help him.
DDR
Forbes
LMA
in that order
I would change #6 to trade Murray and DDR for a combination of young talent, expiring contracts and picks
Spurs will trade two or three of Gay, Mills, Murray, Lyles, White for a disgruntled or overpriced allstar this off season.
Ouch! If that comes to pass (highly likely if Pop is still at the helm) my MPG will drop to near 0.
We're going to have a relatively good draft pick. What position would help us the most and who would be available near that position?
Conversely, do we package that pick with someone like DDR to move even higher. Is there a game-changer out there worth doing that for? Is there a team that would go for that that has a great pick we'd want to trade with? A lot of variables that have to align.
Add to this is get rid of DJM-fool someone into giving up assets for this clown.
Pretty much. You forgot to mention bringing Marco back for one more year.
Dejounte Murray , Derrick white
Lonnie walker , patty mills
3 and d , demarre carroll
3 and d , not Rudy gay
Lamarcus Aldridge , Jakob poeltl
It's not that damn hard. Murray and walker are the damn future backcourt in this league and all they're doing is delaying it because of the demar DeRozan trade
I am ready to give up on Forbes, Lyles, and Murray. When you look at it day in and day out they are pulling the team down. These guys have no BB IQ. The keep making the same stupid mistakes over and over and over. Lyles is not worth his contract.
Murray has showed zero growth and Forbes is, well Forbes. I would rather dump these guys along with Carrol and Gay's salary and try to go find a real PG and wing with height (for those of you who argue there is no SF). LMA is shooting the three so, now is the time to move Poetl back into the starting lineup. Moving some of the youth should be a wake-up call to the youth that remains.
Murray is like 22 years old who is just coming back from a torn acl and playing beside someone who is regressing his progression. But sure let's give up on him lol.
Dejounte is on the bottom of the list of problems for this team and I'm convinced some of you are trolling when any of you criticize him and want him off the team tbh. But that's your opinion.
If you want to keep Murray as the backup PG of the future I’m cool with that but he isn’t the starting PG that you think he might become. He can’t shoot, can’t pass, and turns it over when he tries to make plays. He’s a better than average defender and is a good rebounding guard. That isn’t going to take us places...even as a complementary player to DDR and LMA or other all stars. Most stars generally control the ball and want guys next to them that can shoot. On the flip side if you can’t shoot as a PG you really need to be an excellent passer and playmaker that elevates your teammates play. Murray can’t play either role.
He really has a lot of holes in his game. The kind of holes that are keeping him from being a good complimentary piece let alone a great PG.
unless this changes, nothing else matters
Still don't think Forbes is getting re-signed. It would be on brand for him to be but letting Forbes walk and starting Walker or White walk seems like a no-brainer.
Agree on Lyles and Beli, though i'm not high on Lyles. He's a 10th man. If he could shoot then he'd be fine in his role but he is a below average 3pt shooter.
Still think next year will be:
Murray, Mills,
Walker, White
DDR, K.J, Carroll
PF, Gay, Lyles, Samanic
LMA, Poeltl, Metu
plus the 2020 1st rounder
I think most people underestimate his shooting which has improved. He is more of a free play type of PG, He can run sets but he needs to have some tempo in it. Pop has really neutered him by making him defer to LMA and DDR. This is why Pop needs to retire as he is hurting the youth.
He's played so poorly and doesn't have enough of a track record of great 3-point shooting seasons that he's probably not going to cost much and that was likely the only thing that could have dissuaded them.
I'm not high on Lyles, either. But if the "mid 3" are traded, even if a starting caliber big wing/"PF" is what they receive for DeRozan, I could see them keeping him as a backup for another season before turning the job over to Samanic.
I've long said as much. If he's not content opting in and playing out his final season without an extension (which I doubt), I suspect they'll work in concert to find a trade partner willing to give him a palatable one as part of the agreement.
Fair point, but he is an unrestricted free agent. If he were RFA that would further hurt his value. I could see a team giving him $ million a year to be a bench 3-point bomber.
Year 3 is normally when the Spurs fully integrated draftees into the rotation, if they haven't been already. I think- or at least hope, that they'll let Byrn and Beli walk, start Walker and have KJ backup DDR.
I think they really need an upgrade at the 4. Lyles is miscast as a starter and Gay can't play big minutes and hasn't been very good this season.
I don't have a great sense of his market value at the moment, but it's not like he's going to break the bank. They'll probably overpay him with something like 3/$18 million, when they could sign a comparable like Daniels for the minimum.
There's a good chance DeRozan is traded and either way, Johnson backing him up is unlikely. This team can't afford another significant downgrade in shooting in their rotation.
They need an upgrade at the 4 just to make the playoffs. I still think Marvin Williams is the best possible stopgap.
-Agree on Marvin Williams. Heard a lot of good things about him, apparently he's a good defender in addition to actually being able to space the floor.
-Man, I really hope your wrong on Forbes but I could see that
-Don't see a Demar trade; I think the Spurs are bent on the PS. They also probably expect that he'll opt-in. The could always trade him in the off season, after he does.
-KJ is hard to peg as a shooter; he was actually a good shooter in college-that was probably his biggest strength coming out but has been awful shooting it in the G-league. I think he's been too good in the G-league to keep on the bench for another season.
I think he's not nearly as bad of a shooter as he's shown. He'd be an significant upgrade defensively over Beli who's been DDR's backup for much of the season. Walker would be a significant upgrade defensively over Forbes.
I think that they'd be able to figure the downgrade in shooting. Aldridge is taking 4.7 3's per game, in January. If he is taking that many from the start next season, along with Murray continuing to improve, a better stretch 4 option, etc. I think they'll be ok there.
With regards to a potential DeRozan trade, I mean after the season. I doubt he opts in. Despite only a handful of re-building teams (who he obviously makes no sense for) having cap space, the '20 free agent class is way worse than the '21 one and going on 31, I'd imagine he'd want to lock in one final big contract as opposed to risking severe injury or decline the following season.
Johnson is a sub par shooter and even if he were to be a decent enough one in a vacuum next season, with what they have in place, they can't afford the downgrade in shooting from Forbes to him. If Forbes isn't re-signed, his rotation spot likely goes to a cheaper shooter.
I expect Johnson to enter the season in the role Walker has been in much of the season, which really only means he's an injury away from rotational minutes.
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