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Really shocking how bad the offense looked. Murray, Lyles, and Forbes came the Spurs nothing.
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tl;dr: Another fourth quarter collapse.
Really shocking how bad the offense looked. Murray, Lyles, and Forbes came the Spurs nothing.
I didn’t get not playing Beli in a game we desperately needed some movement on offense.
overall such a frustrating season, so many games that are seemingly impossible to lose yet they find a way every time...
Spurs Future (Lonnie, Murray, Metu, White): total 5-16, -19.
Grades: bench the vets, play the Future.
Still loving the Grades, TIMVP. I visit the page frequently until they’re posted. Thanks again
I'm really glad you mentioned Poeltl's minutes. 36 minutes is a lot for a big man (especially) who hasn't been getting big minutes. If Pop had been starting the same SL all season that finished last season, a lot of things would be different.
It's probably also worth mentioning that the 4th quarter "collapse" was a defensive breakdown. The problem wasn't that the Spurs scored 24 points - it was that they gave up a 35 point quarter to the Bulls. These other teams aren't getting stronger offensively late in the game.
I don't have to spell all that out. Sooner or later, everyone here is going to have to admit that most of this comes down to Pop. If you believe that Pop gets the last word in personnel decisions (I do), then just about all of it comes down to him.
Thanks Timvp. Again F for Pop for letting this get away. With 10 points lead in the 4th, all Spurs need is clamp on the defense and bring it home. But yet again, Pop played cute with inserting Forbes for Lonnie and all broke loose. Lavine started working on traffic cone for a 22-6 run. Subs uting Mills for Forbes was the same. One word, DEFENSE. With the lead, why can’t Pop rely on D instead of trying to outscore with a short lineup? Spurs used to hang their hat on D. What happened to that? That’s how I fell in love with watching “boring” Spurs, because by the end of the day, they win on D. Way after I moved to LA, my team plays D against these chuckers. Why change. Their personnel is not built to outscore. But they have long athletic guards who can stop the penetration, closeout, switch on anyone. They have Demar and Aldridge who can score on anyone. This team is built on slow grind, and running transition offense after a big stop, picking defenders with Demar/Aldridge. Stop trying to outscore. Offense follows defense. This team has a potential of making a very good defensive team, and yet time and again we let the other team get back in the 4th after playing good 3 quarters. I rather Spurs lose playing good D, than seeing short hand Forbes faking a closeout. Commit to playing D and good things would come.
This game pretty much sums up DeRozan’s career. He produces but when it’s money time, he comes up small. This is why he can’t be your number one option.
Its a pattern...
forbes starts- spurs lose ground...
forbes sits
spurs surge ahead
somewhere at the end of the 3rd qtr/early 4th qtr- pop benches lonnie with spurs ahead by 8-10 pts-
for his son Forbes
results in a loss....
To be fair, the Spurs were at a massive coaching disadvantage playing against the Bulls
The 4th qtr slide (just like with many, many games this season) all began when Lonnie was subbed out early for a mistake and in came that POS Bryn......
Not complaining at all anymore of course since this team is going to be bounced from playoff contention very soon and we can see some real change this offseason starting with that garbage coach finally calling it quits.
Demar is a better version of Melo. Yeah the stats looks great, but is he really helping your basketball team in the big picture, or holding you back from moving on?
It’s just empty numbers and a non-understanding of the game within the game.
Some Beli could have been useful. D to Pop for not using all his tools during the fourth.
not sure what to think about where murray should be in the rotation at this point. also, his play as of late has suddenly created a sudden shift in where the spurs would need to go with the draft. for all the guards we've selected over the past few years, we're still not sure what the spurs have in any of them.
Spurs were up 10 when Pop reinserted Forbes in the 4th quarter. I turned to the person next to me and said "Forbes is back in...watch the momentum die...we'll probably lose." Sure enough, the lead evaporated and we lost all momentum, Chicago got confident and that was that. Of course that's too easily predictable for anyone who has watched this same pattern repeat itself game after game after fvcking game.
Luckily DeRozan willed us back in it at the end, and White made two great defensive plays down the stretch otherwise we lose by 10. Pop got out-coached by Boylen, but that's also the norm lately...watching opposing coaches out-think us.
Forbes is not a starter in this league. I doubt he'd make many teams' rosters, TBH. Murray is probably not a point guard at this point either. Walker needs more burn.
This team needs to make a couple of moves. It needs an injection of life if there is any aspirations of making the post season, otherwise I think this ship is going to sink.
He should be at the 2 instead of Forbes. The worst thing about this season has been Pop not playing the obviously better-upside lineups at all, leading to us not having a clear picture of how the core can coexist with each other. Can DJ-DW learn to overcome their seemingly offensive deficit by setting each other up for spot up shots? Can Lonnie feed off White's passes in transition, or run-and-gun with DJ grabbing the boards and bringing it up? We just don't know, because they haven't been given the chance. And on the seldom times they are played together, it's usually way too late, with the game on the line or the Spurs already in an insurmountable deficit, with zero room for mistakes or growing pains. How are players supposed to blossom in such an environment?
I'd be really disappointed to see the Spurs draft a guard this off-season. In the best case scenario that we trade LMA and DD for picks, Jakob should be able to cover most C minutes next season (of course we'd need a backup in Eubanks or else, but I wouldn't waste a lottery or near lottery pick there); we're much thinner at the 3 and 4, since Luka looks a year away still and even then would probably come off the bench his first season. Keldon ideally should play the backup 2 or 3 as well, leaving the starting SF and PF up for grabs. If we pick near the top, the Spurs should expect immediate production from their pick, instead of the usual 2 year projects. This of course is a pipe dream at this point...
Metu and Lonnie played 11 and 14 minutes so i don't know why they are in your comment but murray and white were bad.Spurs Future (Lonnie, Murray, Metu, White): total 5-16, -19.
Grades: bench the vets, play the Future.
The only good player yesterday was your favorite spurs demar derozan, Mills and Poetl were not bad too.
These three losses are really bad for any hopes the Spurs were going to play more than 82 games this season.
Derrick White 0 points. B-
Bad grades are bad.
yup
i think i posted the same thing in frustration a few games ago...
pretty much the same complaint- that as I watched the game - i was pretty much into the game thinking they would win-
then as soon as pop threw his tantrum at a lonnie mistake
and
inserted Forbes immediately-
i lost interest and only half-watched the ending and KNOWING they would lose...
they did.
As soon as popovich subbed Forbes in for Walker in the 4th quarter (with the Spurs having a 10 point lead), I posted "go bulls go". And sure enough, the bulls immediately took control of the game and won it.
Another loss that can be directly attributed to popovich's poor coaching/decision making.
At this point I trust cutewizard with the team more than Pop tbh
It's actually insane how clockwork it is...as soon as Forbes checks in the game, you can just tell the other team is going to go on a big run and it happens every ing time in the 4th
Pop with his teaching moments for Lonnie . Wins be damned. Love seeing midgets Patty and Bryn fighting , getting overwhelmed on the rebound, giving away easy twos. Its all about the effort .Lonnie I'm sure learnt alot.
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