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    I don’t see why the New Deal era is relevant now (we’re not in the midst of a catastrophic economic collapse) or relevant to my point either.

    The surest way to get back to the New Deal era is to force corporations to give stock to their employees. That’s a pretty sure fire way to instigate another economic collapse.
    You said you wanted a new deal, that’s why it’s relevant. You don’t get a new deal with the tax rates where they are right now.

    Socialism has never been the cause of economic collapse in this country. The two biggest economic collapses in American history were both caused by rampant wealth inequality and a middle class with no spending power.

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    Yeah I have no sympathy for those in the healthcare industry who have made a career out of screwing Americans with private insurance bureaucracy and finding creative ways to deny people coverage. If someone like Sanders and Warren puts them out of work they can go get a real job like the rest of us.
    Yeah those people

    Also Oil & Gas workers those people

    Really any group of workers that isn't down for the revolution 'em amirite

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    That’s cutting off your nose to spite your face. They may be massive assholes, but you can’t set fire to 1.8 million jobs and think it’s going to turn out well
    Like it or not your subsidizing those ers the way the system currently works. I’d rather subsidize poor people who need healthcare vs. the bureaucrat at BCBS who gets bonused for finding creative ways to deny coverage and send people into bankruptcy.

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    You said you wanted a new deal, that’s why it’s relevant. You don’t get a new deal with the tax rates where they are right now.

    Socialism has never been the cause of economic collapse in this country. The two biggest economic collapses in American history were both caused by rampant wealth inequality and a middle class with no spending power.
    I said modern new deal and clarified that to mean shoveling the billions spent on defense to go towards economic vitalization through infrastructure spending. The New Deal of the 30’s isn’t a relevant comparison.

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    Yeah I have no sympathy for those in the healthcare industry who have made a career out of screwing Americans with private insurance bureaucracy and finding creative ways to deny people coverage. If someone like Sanders and Warren puts them out of work they can go get a real job like the rest of us.

    Btw the fact that $1.8 million people get put out of work should show you how much cheaper healthcare gets. Right now healthcare in this country is a jobs program for millions of people who have useless and unnecessary job and the result is all of us paying way too much for healthcare.
    The one's at the top will be fine, I'm sure they've already got plans with the others in the millionaire's club to bail and land somewhere else. It's not just the insurance companies losing though, every doctor's office has at least one clerk who liason's with the insurance companies, most will be gone if it works like it should. Every contractor who doesn't work in the industry but for the company is also ed if it works like it's supposed to. Any municipality that depends on those $$ is ed too. You can't just eliminate 1.8 million jobs and expect it only to effect 1.8 million people.

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    Like it or not your subsidizing those ers the way the system currently works. I’d rather subsidize poor people who need healthcare vs. the bureaucrat at BCBS who gets bonused for finding creative ways to deny coverage and send people into bankruptcy.
    Homie, I have no love for insurance companies. They’re vile. But that doesn’t mean you set the industry on fire.

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    I said modern new deal and clarified that to mean shoveling the billions spent on defense to go towards economic vitalization through infrastructure spending. The New Deal of the 30’s isn’t a relevant comparison.
    I’d be all for that too but don’t see it moving the needle that much.

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    Homie, I have no love for insurance companies. They’re vile. But that doesn’t mean you set the industry on fire.
    the insurance industry and its investors are extracting/extorting wealth from citizens

    If USA is to have universal health care through govt insurance, then the insurance industry must be transformed and removed as barrier/gateway between citizens and health care.

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    Homie, I have no love for insurance companies. They’re vile. But that doesn’t mean you set the industry on fire.
    Well then we can just stay eating the same lukewarm sandwich until we’re all dead.

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    The one's at the top will be fine, I'm sure they've already got plans with the others in the millionaire's club to bail and land somewhere else. It's not just the insurance companies losing though, every doctor's office has at least one clerk who liason's with the insurance companies, most will be gone if it works like it should. Every contractor who doesn't work in the industry but for the company is also ed if it works like it's supposed to. Any municipality that depends on those $$ is ed too. You can't just eliminate 1.8 million jobs and expect it only to effect 1.8 million people.
    So what are you saying? We should continue to let millions of Americans go bankrupt and pay twice as much per capita on healthcare than the rest of the modern world does because 1.8 million re s who only know how to earn a living by adding unnecessary bureaucracy and red tape to healthcare need a jerb? Thats the worst argument ever.

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    the insurance industry and its investors are extracting/extorting wealth from citizens

    If USA is to have universal health care through govt insurance, then the insurance industry must be transformed and removed as barrier/gateway between citizens and health care.
    I'm all for reform. I'm not for -canning 1.8 million people over four years because that'll really heat up the lukewarm sandwich we're currently eating.

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    I'm all for reform. I'm not for -canning 1.8 million people over four years because that'll really heat up the lukewarm sandwich we're currently eating.
    People get canned every day for having a job that become obsolete and no longer needed, a lot of the time without much of a warning and a lot of the time because the company they work for is shipping their job overseas. Why should the soulless bureaucrats who work in healthcare administration get any more protection from the free market system than anyone else does?

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    So what are you saying? We should continue to let millions of Americans go bankrupt and pay twice as much per capita on healthcare than the rest of the modern world does because 1.8 million re s who only know how to earn a living by adding unnecessary bureaucracy and red tape to healthcare need a jerb? Thats the worst argument ever.
    Yeah those 1.8 million re s but nah don't the other millions of poor people cause it's definitely fine to over people that I feel deserve it, even though up to now they've done nothing wrong but play the game by it's rules. And yes they'll need a job, and where are those jobs going to come from?

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    Homie, I have no love for insurance companies. They’re vile. But that doesn’t mean you set the industry on fire.
    But you want to slash spending for our national offense too. That's basically a huge federally subsidized jobs program you'd set on fire.

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    People get canned every day for having a job that become obsolete and no longer needed, a lot of the time without much of a warning and a lot of the time because the company they work for is shipping their job overseas. Why should the soulless bureaucrats who work in healthcare administration get any more protection from the free market system than anyone else does?
    because they're not 1.8 million soulless bureaucrats. The soulless ones will easily find jobs, assholes always come out ahead.

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    Yeah those 1.8 million re s but nah don't the other millions of poor people cause it's definitely fine to over people that I feel deserve it, even though up to now they've done nothing wrong but play the game by it's rules. And yes they'll need a job, and where are those jobs going to come from?
    so that is what you’re saying? It’s a yes or no question.

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    because they're not 1.8 million soulless bureaucrats. The soulless ones will easily find jobs, assholes always come out ahead.
    They absolutely are. When I call Cigna and the woman on the other line makes it as difficult as possible for me to fill my prescription she’s a soulless bureaucrat who can end up living on the streets for all I care.

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    so that is what you’re saying? It’s a yes or no question.
    I'm saying you're saying "we shouldn't over those people because it's wrong, but we should definitely over those other people because they deserve it".

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    I'm saying you're saying "we shouldn't over those people because it's wrong, but we should definitely over those other people because they deserve it".
    You’re not answering my question because you know the argument that we should make everyone pay more for healthcare in order to subsidize the 1.8 million unskilled healthcare administration workers who need a job is re ed.

    Im also not saying we should anyone over. I’m saying we should fix the healthcare system and let the chips fall where they may. If the jobs of healthcare administrative workers are collateral damage that’s unfortunate but I don’t see why those people deserve any more sympathy than the guy who worked at the GM plant until his job got sent to Mexico, and I certainly don’t see why we should be letting people go bankrupt paying for healthcare just to subsidize healthcare admin workers.

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    But you want to slash spending for our national offense too. That's basically a huge federally subsidized jobs program you'd set on fire.

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    You’re not answering my question because you know the argument that we should make everyone pay more for healthcare in order to subsidize the 1.8 million unskilled healthcare administration workers who need a job is re ed.

    Im also not saying we should anyone over. I’m saying we should fix the healthcare system and let the chips fall where they may. If the jobs of healthcare administrative workers are collateral damage that’s unfortunate but I don’t see why those people deserve any more sympathy than the guy who worked at the GM plant until his job got sent to Mexico, and I certainly don’t see why we should be letting people go bankrupt paying for healthcare just to subsidize healthcare admin workers.
    And I'm saying flooding the market with 1.8 million more qualified workers, after subsidizing some of them for five years, is not a good thing. It will at the least depress wages for other people in different industries.

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    And I'm saying flooding the market with 1.8 million more qualified workers, after subsidizing some of them for five years, is not a good thing. It will at the least depress wages for other people in different industries.
    lol Trainwreck arguing to keep the reserve army of the unemployed unemployed because, labor arbitrage.

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    Lot of solidarity amongst you Dems

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    Lot of solidarity amongst you Dems
    If nominated, Bernie will beat Trump. He's bringing new blood into the party.

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    Lot of solidarity amongst you Dems
    Exchange of ideas > lemmings rallying behind a cult of personality

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