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    The Pete Buttigieg campaign donated over $42,000 to the makers of the app.

    Do you think there’s maybe, a conflict of interest there?
    Without a sound plan in his head, derp’s argument is like his attempt to trap a rat in his house with the help of his cat, see video.

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    Not a knock, but most of what you're emphasizing seems related to branding and salesmanship.

    Negging idpol while ticking the idpol boxes, selling UBI to the American people.
    Right now branding and salesmanship is the Democratic Party’s biggest problem. It regularly fails to sell itself as the party that creates stable economies despite the other party’s 100 year track record of destroying the economy.

    Branding and salesmanship alone gives Yang an edge over the other options.

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    ball buster is not derp ... he's just a run of the mill bernie or buster

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    Right now branding and salesmanship is the Democratic Party’s biggest problem. It regularly fails to sell itself as the party that creates stable economies despite the other party’s 100 year track record of destroying the economy.

    Branding and salesmanship alone gives Yang an edge over the other options.
    I do like the boxes ticked. I thought Jay Inslee was a better salesman for climate change policy and while Yang definitely should be given credit for bringing up UBI on the national stage, he has yet to prove he can lead a political movement to do anything -- is he still talking about UBI and the environment, btw? Or was he just trying to sell us on him?

    Yang is a pure political neophyte. Time will tell if he cares as much about the things he professes to care about as much as vaulting himself to prominence and power. In the meantime, the Democratic Party will remain more or less what it is now, a donor facing, pro-corporate, pro-austerity party. Changing the front man won't do much to change that all by itself.

    As far as branding goes, i think "weed, wages and free college" would be at least as good and probably less divisive than "UBI, VAT and save mother earth."
    Last edited by Winehole23; 12-26-2020 at 04:21 PM.

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    The Pete Buttigieg campaign donated over $42,000 to the makers of the app.

    Do you think there’s maybe, a conflict of interest there?
    You have not answered the question.

    You said an app rigged the caucus.

    How do you say the app did that?

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    As far as branding goes, i think "weed, wages and free college" would be at least as good and probably less divisive than "UBI, VAT and save mother earth."
    This is where we disagree. I think “free college” is a terrible pitch that rubs middle American the wrong way. UBI and VAT is a message that casts a wider net and helps working class voters.

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    didnt yang's version of UBI basically deduct any benefits you were already receiving though? so somebody who was already receiving, say, 900 in other aid would only get 100 from his "freedom divident"

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    didnt yang's version of UBI basically deduct any benefits you were already receiving though? so somebody who was already receiving, say, 900 in other aid would only get 100 from his "freedom divident"
    the means testing made it *not UBI* and far less appealing imo.

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    This is where we disagree. I think “free college” is a terrible pitch that rubs middle American the wrong way. UBI and VAT is a message that casts a wider net and helps working class voters.
    I like the policies, I do wonder if they're as popular as you seem to think. You'd have to call the VAT something else, for starters.

    I think free college could be made less divisive if it were part of a much broader debt amnesty.
    Last edited by Winehole23; 12-26-2020 at 04:50 PM.

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    i didnt think too much about yang since i never thought he was a serious candidate. definitely preferred him over a like bloomberg. would have to revisit and look more closely to have strong opinions. he did end up attracting some of the incel/racist crowd... kinda like tulsi. dno why

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    You have not answered the question.

    You said an app rigged the caucus.

    How do you say the app did that?
    Do you know where the people that formed the app company that was used for the Iowa caucus used to work?

    Hint, they all worked on the Hillary 2016 campaign. That was the year Hillary took over the DNC, and fraudulently diverted DNC funds directly into her campaign’s fund.

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    This is where we disagree. I think “free college” is a terrible pitch that rubs middle American the wrong way. UBI and VAT is a message that casts a wider net and helps working class voters.
    Climate change mitigation of any kind will be hugely divisive. Needs a strong, determined majority to do what needs to be done.

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    Do you know where the people that formed the app company that was used for the Iowa caucus used to work?

    Hint, they all worked on the Hillary 2016 campaign. That was the year Hillary took over the DNC, and fraudulently diverted DNC funds directly into her campaign’s fund.
    but what did they actually do to rig it? swap votes? whats the concern

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    Do you know where the people that formed the app company that was used for the Iowa caucus used to work?

    Hint, they all worked on the Hillary 2016 campaign. That was the year Hillary took over the DNC, and fraudulently diverted DNC funds directly into her campaign’s fund.
    You have not answered the question.

    You said an app rigged the caucus.

    How do you say the app did that?

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    You have not answered the question.

    You said an app rigged the caucus.

    How do you say the app did that?
    Electronically, likely by someone within the app company who used to work for Hillary Clinton on her 2016 presidential campaign.

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    Electronically what?

    This is your theory:

    1) Install app.

    2) ?????

    3) Pete wins.

    What happens in step 2?

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    Electronically what?

    This is your theory:

    1) Install app.

    2) ?????

    3) Pete wins.

    What happens in step 2?
    1) Force everyone to use app, instead of counting the votes the old fashion way.
    2) Control when caucus results information is released.
    3) wait a week to release the results.
    4) Pete wins, and gets a 10% bump in the polls.

    No ery whatsoever. Why would anybody question it.

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    1) Force everyone to use app, instead of counting the votes the old fashion way.
    2) Control when caucus results information is released.
    3) wait a week to release the results.
    4) Pete wins, and gets a 10% bump in the polls.

    No ery whatsoever. Why would anybody question it.
    So the Iowa Democratic party was in on your conspiracy?

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    So the Iowa Democratic party was in on your conspiracy?
    It was definitely strange how they faked the coin toss in favor of Mayor Pete, and gave him a free delegate.

    My conspiracy . Says the rube who believes in Russia gate. Even though the Mueller probe couldn’t find any evidence of it.

    Why can’t you answer any of my questions?

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    It was definitely strange how they faked the coin toss in favor of Mayor Pete, and gave him a free delegate.

    My conspiracy . Says the rube who believes in Russia gate. Even though the Mueller probe couldn’t find any evidence of it.
    You didn't read the Republican Senate report.

    Rube.

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    You didn't read the Republican Senate report.

    Rube.
    You’re a tribal Democrat.

    Rube.

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    You’re a tribal Democrat.

    Rube.
    The Republican Senate report agrees with me, rube.

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