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    What this guy says seems to fit with what we see.

    Why is the Science of Nutrition Ignored in Medicine? | T. Colin Campbell | TEDxCornellUniversity
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    Counselling patients on good nutrition isn't profitable.

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    I didn't watch the video but I think most people now accept the fact that a large % of the medical community has on blinders when it comes to how to best treat illness.
    If everyone ate the right things and exercised, there would be a dramatic decrease in both doctor's visits and prescribed meds.

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    I didn't watch the video but I think most people now accept the fact that a large % of the medical community has on blinders when it comes to how to best treat illness.
    If everyone ate the right things and exercised, there would be a dramatic decrease in both doctor's visits and prescribed meds.
    I'm going for a 5 mile walk today around a lake. Plenty of greenery nearby and fresh air.

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    What this guy says seems to fit with what we see.

    Why is the Science of Nutrition Ignored in Medicine? | T. Colin Campbell | TEDxCornellUniversity
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    Counselling patients on good nutrition isn't profitable.


    As the Dread Pirate Roberts said, “Life is pain. Anyone telling you otherwise is selling something.”

    The science of nutrition is as fake as the moon landings.

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    I didn't watch the video but I think most people now accept the fact that a large % of the medical community has on blinders when it comes to how to best treat illness.
    If everyone ate the right things and exercised, there would be a dramatic decrease in both doctor's visits and prescribed meds.
    There's not a doctor around who doesn't mention diet and exercise but they are doctors not nutritionist's or personal trainer's.

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    I didn't watch the video but I think most people now accept the fact that a large % of the medical community has on blinders when it comes to how to best treat illness.
    If everyone ate the right things and exercised, there would be a dramatic decrease in both doctor's visits and prescribed meds.
    Someone I was acquainted with in the past (not close friends or anything) suddenly got leukemia and died midway through last year. She was only 34, didn't smoke tobacco, was extremely thin, an active musician, and was a vegan who claimed to exclusively eat organic.

    So you never know

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    A friend of mine got cancer back in the eighties. He was being treated at Kaiser Hospital in Los Angeles. The food they were giving him was awful. It was all processed. Those doctors didn't seem at all in tune with nutrition's being important.

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    There's not a doctor around who doesn't mention diet and exercise but they are doctors not nutritionist's or personal trainer's.
    You're wrong about that. Maybe a GP will mention it in passing. But if you go to a specialist to treat something, they're not going to say, "oh, you know there's pretty good evidence that you can treat this by not eating x and eating more of y. Let's try that first before I prescribe you something that's going to have side effects and require more prescriptions."

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    they're not going to say, "oh, you know there's pretty good evidence that you can treat this by not eating x and eating more of y. Let's try that first before I prescribe you something that's going to have side effects and require more prescriptions."
    lol that's a malpractice lawsuit right there

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    lol that's a malpractice lawsuit right there
    You've gone from saying "there's not a doctor around" who doesn't mention diet to saying it's malpractice if they recommend it as a form of treatment.

    The point being that there are doctors who don't mention it at all.

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    You've gone from saying "there's not a doctor around" who doesn't mention diet to saying it's malpractice if they recommend it as a form of treatment.

    The point being that there are doctors who don't mention it at all.
    No I haven't. They mention diet and exercise, that's a far cry from saying skip the medically approved treatment and try some diet instead.

    You're missing the point and still expecting doctors to do something that isn't their job. Person gets their labs and they are prediabetic or diabetic, every doctor will mention diet and exercise and then do their part of the job and prescribe metformin or something similar. That's their job, it's up to the person to go see a dietician or personal trainer if they can't figure out how to eat better and get off their ass once in a while.

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    No I haven't. They mention diet and exercise, that's a far cry from saying skip the medically approved treatment and try some diet instead.

    You're missing the point and still expecting doctors to do something that isn't their job. Person gets their labs and they are prediabetic or diabetic, every doctor will mention diet and exercise and then do their part of the job and prescribe metformin or something similar. That's their job, it's up to the person to go see a dietician or personal trainer if they can't figure out how to eat better and get off their ass once in a while.
    I'm expecting doctors to be up on alternative treatments to prescriptions. And I'm not talking about crazy snake oil .
    We can go back and forth with examples. But a lot of autoimmune problems can be alleviated with eating the right foods. And avoiding others. For non life threatening cases, they should recommend trying different diets. Instead of going straight to a biological prescription.

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    I'm expecting doctors to be up on alternative treatments to prescriptions.
    There's proven health benefits to yoga/meditation. Do you want doctors to become yoga instructors too? Also poorly maintained HVAC systems can cause health problems do you expect them to service HVAC systems too?

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    I've known minimalist doctors, and I've known ones that sling pills like they don't care... the one thing they have in common is that they are all busy as . Unless you pay out of pocket for a concierge MD, you just don't have access to them a great deal of time. They can't sit down with you and do meal planning and like a nutritionist or something would do. If you're diagnosed with hypertension, diabetes, coronary artery disease, etc, 99% of them are going to tell you to increase your exercise and eat healthier - with some specific modifications for your diagnosis (decrease carbs, sodium, whatever). They expect you as the patient to follow through on your end.

    Now, if you want to argue that gym memberships, hiring dieticians, etc should be covered by health insurance, then we could have a different discussion.

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    What this guy says seems to fit with what we see.

    Why is the Science of Nutrition Ignored in Medicine? | T. Colin Campbell | TEDxCornellUniversity
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmWoWOM16uE


    Counselling patients on good nutrition isn't profitable.

    False.

    I counsel patients about nutrition on a daily basis. In fact, dietary counseling and surveillance in itself is billable.

    What you find when working in primary care is that most people choose a pill over diet and exercise more often than not.

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    There's proven health benefits to yoga/meditation. Do you want doctors to become yoga instructors too? Also poorly maintained HVAC systems can cause health problems do you expect them to service HVAC systems too?
    That's ridiculous.

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    False.

    I counsel patients about nutrition on a daily basis. In fact, dietary counseling and surveillance in itself is billable.

    What you find when working in primary care is that most people choose a pill over diet and exercise more often than not.
    I'm not in the medical profession so all I know is what I've seen in a few cases which may or may not have been the norm but that guy in the video is a doctor, I think.

    I spoke to a cancer doctor once and I told him that hospital food probably makes patients even sicker. He shrugged his shoulders and agreed.

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    I'm not in the medical profession so all I know is what I've seen in a few cases which may or may not have been the norm but that guy in the video is a doctor, I think.

    I spoke to a cancer doctor once and I told him that hospital food probably makes patients even sicker. He shrugged his shoulders and agreed.
    You are also not in the profession of thinking.

    Have space probes been sent to the moon?

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    guy in the video is a doctor, I think.
    PhD in nutrition

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    You are also not in the profession of thinking.

    Have space probes been sent to the moon?
    Bend over, I'll ing send a probe to the moon.

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    You are also not in the profession of thinking.

    Have space probes been sent to the moon?
    Unmanned, probably. Manned, none.
    https://www.giraffeboards.com/showthread.php?t=31034

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    I spoke to a cancer doctor once and I told him that hospital food probably makes patients even sicker. He shrugged his shoulders and agreed.
    That's a matter of money and logistics. Most hospitals are preparing hundreds, some even thousands of meals a day... all while adhering to each patient's specific ordered diet.

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