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Hate to be Captain Obvious but ultimately what matters is how it plays in three or four out of fifty states.
So what's Bernie's key to winning the rubecentric electoral college?
Hate to be Captain Obvious but ultimately what matters is how it plays in three or four out of fifty states.
Turning out the base in the three states that were universally considered lean blue states prior to Hillary ing up.
Trump got less rube support in Wisconsin in 2016 than Romney got in 2012. He didn’t win the state because the “rubes” were terrified of Hillary, he won the state because the non-rubes didn’t give enough of a to go wait in line and vote for Hillary.
Prior to 2016 those three states were all considered lean blue states, the only Democratic candidate in the last 30+ who managed to turn them into an uphill battle was the moderate of all moderates, Hillary Clinton.
Four years earlier Obama won them despite independents favoring Romney. They’re not states like Arizona or Florida where you need to win the middle, they’re states where you need the base to show up and vote.
If anything hurts Bernie, I don't think it's going to be a few select quotes from his past.
He embraces the "Socialist" label so the GOP doesn't really need 30-year-old quotes to brand him as such.
Oh, finding enough non-rubes who want to vote for a socialist in Wisconsin on top of all the ones who voted for the centrist loser AND want to vote for the socialist winner is the winning strategy.
OK.
What’s going to hurt Bernie and any other candidate more than anything else is that we’re at the peak of the economic cycle right now and the average “rube” is going to be re ed and Trump credit for it....same issue Kerry faced in 2004 when GWB was getting credit for the great economy that was actually a few years away from collapsing.
Kerry tried dealing with it by moving as far to the right as possible in order to “win the middle” and it didn’t work. It was such a ty strategy that he’s the only Democrat since mini Mike Dukakis to lose the popular vote. Sounds like a strategy we should absolutely try to duplicate against another in bent Republican in a good economy!
Somehow winning Wisconsin wasn’t the daunting task you’re now portraying it as prior to the 2016 strategy of moderate corporatism.
There are more Democrats than Republicans in Wisconsin. Simply getting enough of them to show up the same way every Democratic candidate in the last 30 years other than Clinton was able to do wins the state.
Check the 2016 primary results regarding who Democrats in Wisconsin prefer.
What do you think the strategy should be?
LOL, the upcoming flailing and temper tantrum...
The big sell is that it seems not so much worse than the USA and that there wasn't a taskmaster supervising them.
I would probably include Florida in the deciding states, though, no? If you're talking about Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, they also voted for John Kerry and Al Gore, so it's not like there's no historical precedent for a moderate Dem winning those states. Hillary Clinton lost because she was unlikeable, terrible at campaigning, and I still don't think mainstream voters thought Donald Trump had any chance of winning. I don't think she lost those states because she was a moderate.
I'm voting for Bernie, but his embrace of Socialism makes him a wild card. I'm not sure how much we can rely on historical voting.
They're not like the yuppy Dems you're used to. A lot of them are blue-dog Democrats that'll take a proven winner over Commie Cuck.
Dunno. That's why I asked you.
Socialism or bust it is!
Lashing out while trying to make a point and you ended up with this garble.
Bye.
obviously the dem strategy to success is to nominate joe biden so the darrins of the world will vote for him, or klobuchar so the snakeboys will vote for her
trying to win over trump's 2016 voters is a fools errand, it's a full on cult. these people think he's a better president than lincoln, that his election was the fulfillment of a biblical prophecy, and a good percentage of them have trump jr and ivanka as preferred candidates for 2024
generating turnout, mobilization, excitement among the base... that's the way to go right now.
Last edited by spurraider21; 02-18-2020 at 05:16 PM.
or should i sayits because of people like this why trump is going to win again
Not pouty.
or should i say
Just asking how Bernie's going to win.
What's your Bernie path to victory?
I'm just of the mind that the OP is a more serious issue than you might think
Any scenario where the Dems are losing one or more of MI/PA/WI is probably a scenario where they’re also losing Florida which is why I don’t count it as a swing state anymore. The white supremacist panhandle mutants also give Trump such a strong advantage in Florida too where it’s basically a lean red state with Trump on the ballot imo. If the Dems win florida chances are they reached 270 in other states anyway imo.
Hillary being a moderate is one of the things that made her unlikeable (same with Gore and Kerry). She came off as a politician with no ideals who stood for nothing and never took any stance without first assessing where the political winds were blowing. Joe Biden is the same way and is maybe even worse - he’s been in politics for 30+ years yet there’s nothing viewed as his signature issue that he’s passionate about. Pete Buttplug is also awful in that respect. Other than gay and abolishing the electoral college (a completely unrealistic objective to run on) there’s no ideal Buttplug seems to really care about.
or should i say
called det .
im of the firm believe that the EC should be abolished but running on that as a primary issue is pretty re ed since so much of that is out of POTUS's control
Yes I’m sure there’s a bunch of Wisconsin Democrats who despite being grown adults with self respect use terms like Commie Cuck when they think of Bernie Sanders.
They're different, bruh. Blue collar. They like fair deals, not pie in the sky sh**.
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