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    thats kind of the nature of laws. you have to follow them. if the concept of having laws and enforcing them is what you're going to call authoritarian, then sure.
    I guess that's the crux of it then - you are willing to give up your money/freedoms for the PROMISE of healthcare and education (I don't know why because government has done a terrible job at both) and I am not. I would rather have the choice of refusing, doing something else (like homeschooling) or self-pay and deciding what I spend my money on than having the government decide for me.

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    They aren’t only used in contracts of adhesion

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    I have no doubt he could win the nom, since dems are coo coo for cocoa puffs, but the general?

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    Bernie doesn't try to hide what he is. It's not some random comment about Cuba that will turn voters off, it's his policies.
    It certainly will turn off Cuban voters in Florida.

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    thats kind of the nature of laws. you have to follow them. if the concept of having laws and enforcing them is what you're going to call authoritarian, then sure.
    So Comrade Free gets a pass because law is inherently authoritarian? That’s pretty disingenuous

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    It certainly will turn off Cuban voters in Florida.
    rightwing cubans were not voting blue regardless

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    I have no doubt he could win the nom, since dems are coo coo for cocoa puffs, but the general?
    thats the same question that was asked in 2016 regarding Dump tbqh

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    It certainly will turn off Cuban voters in Florida.
    As you pointed out, he wasn't going to win there anyway.

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    thats the same question that was asked in 2016 regarding Dump tbqh
    You think Midwest Trump voters are feeling the Bern?

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    You think Midwest Trump voters are feeling the Bern?
    no but they are coo coo for cocoa puffs

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    rightwing cubans were not voting blue regardless
    So actively alienate all of the Cubans.

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    As you pointed out, he wasn't going to win there anyway.
    Don't count on the Dems losing FL - there's those million plus convicts. I'm sure that those Dems who spent a year in front of my local library canvassing for them to get the vote will hunt down/find/register/get them to the polls come November.

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    So actively alienate all of the Cubans.
    who gives a

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    Anyone who wants to win the electoral college.

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    Anyone who wants to win the electoral college.
    you cant keep everyone happy

    what about shillary and her basket of deplorables

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    I have no doubt he could win the nom, since dems are coo coo for cocoa puffs, but the general?
    I don't know about the coo coo part, but the left doesn't have anyone that stirs debate, no exciting person in the race. Everyone is either too well known or unknown. Bloomberg is the only candidate other than Bernie that could be interesting, but we all know he's a cookie cutter version of a billionaire who will say anything for the chance to buy his way in. What's interesting is how many wealthy celebs are there to cup his balls.

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    you cant keep everyone happy
    You can keep from actively pissing them off.

    what about shillary and her basket of deplorables
    literal whataboutism

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    you cant keep everyone happy

    what about shillary and her basket of deplorables

    That strategy backfired bigtime.

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    As you pointed out, he wasn't going to win there anyway.
    In the primary, sure.
    Certainly nothing to indicate Bernie is out of it in the general election.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...ders-6842.html

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    You can keep from actively pissing them off.

    literal whataboutism
    you supported her then whatqboutism

    cuban rightwingers are already pissed off at lefties Bernie didnt fhange anything

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    So Comrade Free gets a pass because law is inherently authoritarian? That’s pretty disingenuous
    was responding specifically to rmt's comment that people arent going to want to pay taxes that become the law. and the mere fact that those laws are going to be enforced doesnt make them authoritarian imo, unless that's how one is going to broaden the definition

    i think some of the examples you gave are good ones (some better than others) that made your point, which is why i didnt push back very hard. but by extension, you could point to concepts like minimum wage, protected leave as authoritarian too.

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    In the primary, sure.
    Certainly nothing to indicate Bernie is out of it in the general election.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...ders-6842.html
    i doubt those polls reflect the impact of his comments

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    was responding specifically to rmt's comment that people arent going to want to pay taxes that become the law. and the mere fact that those laws are going to be enforced doesnt make them authoritarian imo, unless that's how one is going to broaden the definition

    i think some of the examples you gave are good ones (some better than others) that made your point, which is why i didnt push back very hard. but by extension, you could point to concepts like minimum wage, protected leave as authoritarian too.

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    i doubt those polls reflect the impact of his comments
    They certainly don't.

    Neither will the polls tomorrow measure the impact of his statements in November.

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    i doubt those polls reflect the impact of his comments
    It will affect him in places like Florida where he's already polling in the teens against the likes of Biden and Bloomberg though.

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