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    Whataboutism good now
    Hmm. Not quite the point I was going for, but noted.

    My point was that it is something of a wash, if that is a choice criteria, and that 30 year old comments matter less than 3 month old ones.

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    Hmm. Not quite the point I was going for, but noted.

    My point was that it is something of a wash, if that is a choice criteria, and that 30 year old comments matter less than 3 month old ones.
    May not be your intent, but that's what you're saying. X Bernie says/days is justifiable because of Trump says/does Y.

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    So, basically, you're part of the underinsured crowd, and should something catastrophic happen to you, we're going to be footing the bill for your sorry ass in the emergency room at outrageous prices and whatever procedures you need that your cheap ass insurance won't cover.

    Funny how when that inevitably happens, socialism is suddenly OK.
    Nowhere in my post do I say that I'm underinsured - I can reject, I can choose, etc. - not "I do." The point is that I have a choice - not forced into Bernie's Medicare For All with no option for anything else.

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    Not talking about healthcare. You voted for trump and also complained about authoritarianism. But you wouldn’t see the massive contradiction there, would you?
    And you don't see the burden of paying for Bernie's healthcare (including dental, vision, and the very expensive LONG-TERM CARE), universal childcare from infancy, pre-k, K-12, college, forgiveness of student and medical debt, GND leading to authoritarianism? All that probably costs what the entire US owns - and you think we're all just gonna turn over everything we have for the government to make the decision on who should have what/where/when?

    I don't see Trump telling me what to do with my money.

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    And you don't see the burden of paying for Bernie's healthcare (including dental, vision, and the very expensive LONG-TERM CARE), universal childcare from infancy, pre-k, K-12, college, forgiveness of student and medical debt, GND leading to authoritarianism? All that probably costs what the entire US owns - and you think we're all just gonna turn over everything we have for the government to make the decision on who should have what/where/when?

    I don't see Trump telling me what to do with my money.
    I'm not talking about Bernie's healthcare, so don't deflect. You are a devout Trump worshiper. You also complain about authoritarianism.

    Do you or do you not see the contradiction there?

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    Trash's assessement of :

    Murderer/dictator Pootin

    Murderer/dictator Kim

    Murderer/dictator Duterte

    Dictator/fascist Bolsonaro

    Dictator/fascist Erdogan

    Muslim persecutor Modi

    ... all CURRENTLY respected, adored, favored, emulated by Trash, while Trash fights with USA's democratic allies, friends.

    BUT

    Bernie is a COMMUNIST lover based on quotes of decades ago.

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    Also Sunday and Monday.

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    Trash's assessement of :

    Murderer/dictator Pootin

    Murderer/dictator Kim

    Murderer/dictator Duterte

    Dictator/fascist Bolsonaro

    Dictator/fascist Erdogan

    Muslim persecutor Modi

    ... all CURRENTLY respected, adored, favored, emulated by Trash, while Trash fights with USA's democratic allies, friends.

    BUT

    Bernie is a COMMUNIST lover based on quotes of decades ago.

    thats what ive been saying...


    russia attacked - this past week
    trump took russias side again - this week
    trump covering up russias attack by sending henchmen to spout propaganda to americans-this ing week


    but-but bernie in 1982....

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    May not be your intent, but that's what you're saying. X Bernie says/days is justifiable because of Trump says/does Y.
    Get ready for me doing that for the next decade.

    We all already knew that conservatives were, in general, rank hypocrites, but the Trump presidency ratcheted that up to 11.

    For s and giggles, check out what Fox "news" said about Obama when he said he would meet Kim Jung Un, and compare that side by side with what they said about Trump, and that is the tip of the berg.

    Deficits mattered... until the tax cuts for the super wealthy. Then we can afford to run up trillions in borrowing to support that.

    Sex outside marriage mattered, until their candidate paid off porn stars. Then it is all about forgiveness.

    on and on. Everytime that conservatives cry crocodile tears about something, I am going to ask them what they said when Trump did or said something worse, to point out the rank hypocrisy and insincerity of their criticisms.

    (edit)

    I think the only good thing to come out of this, is the recognition by young people of how hypocritical evangelicals over 40 are.

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    Get ready for me doing that for the next decade.
    Than how are you better than the hypocrites you criticize?

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    People have been ting on Trump for all his "but Obama" bull . Now, those same people are going to spew "but Trump?" That makes zero sense.

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    People have been ting on Trump for all his "but Obama" bull . Now, those same people are going to spew "but Trump?" That makes zero sense.
    i dont think i've dropped a "but trump" line, personally. i just think this story is something being propped up and harped on by people who were already not disposed to liking sanders

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    i dont think i've dropped a "but trump" line, personally. i just think this story is something being propped up and harped on by people who were already not disposed to liking sanders
    you were the first to post "but Obama" tbh.

    People are harping on this because it's working. CNN gifted him the perfect offramp at the town hall. What did Bernie do?


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    you were the first to post "but Obama" tbh.

    People are harping on this because it's working. CNN gifted him the perfect offramp at the town hall. What did Bernie do?

    1) obama =/= trump
    2) that wasn't my initial defense
    3) i think rubes will continue to make this a bigger story than it is

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    1) obama =/= trump
    2) that wasn't my initial defense
    3) i think rubes will continue to make this a bigger story than it is
    Regarding #3: do you think the comment, and his refusal to take the offramps he's been given, show good judgment? If not, why is that not worthy of being a big(ger) story?

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    These are the topics discussed by Cubans - especially after Bernie's comment. Sad really. But rest assured, they didn't come over on a raft to vote for heading in the situation they left.
    knowingly DISHONEST red herring

    Bernie is not for implementing Soviet Communism is USA

    G F Y

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    Still whataboutism.
    2) that wasn't my initial defense
    One of your multiple defenses sounds better.
    3) i think rubes will continue to make this a bigger story than it is
    It's working. Bernie is making it worse.

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    If Bloomberg follows form, his ads are gonna hammer the out of this. Bernie is going to be on the defensive for weeks and it's all his own fault.

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    Regarding #3: do you think the comment, and his refusal to take the offramps he's been given, show good judgment? If not, why is that not worthy of being a big(ger) story?
    i dont have an issue with his comment, initially, and i dont think there was any good reason for the story to blow up.

    but yeah, given that the story did blow up a bit, yeah, i think he could have responded more tactfully yesterday

    even then, i think people are grossly overestimating the impact of these comments

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    and i dont think there was any good reason for the story to blow up.
    Except for the people who have a legit issue with it which happens to be a good chunk and in a place where winning is vital.

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    i dont have an issue with his comment, initially, and i dont think there was any good reason for the story to blow up.

    but yeah, given that the story did blow up a bit, yeah, i think he could have responded more tactfully yesterday

    even then, i think people are grossly overestimating the impact of these comments
    It's going to happen over and over and over again now. Bernie is coming off like a wind-up communist apologist doll and no one around him is telling him he is ing up.

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    i dont have an issue with his comment, initially, and i dont think there was any good reason for the story to blow up.
    Wasn't the question. Your feelings don't make this a non-issue.

    but yeah, given that the story did blow up a bit, yeah, i think he could have responded more tactfully yesterday

    even then, i think people are grossly overestimating the impact of these comments
    Whether you think its an overreaction or not is irrelevant, unfortunately. A large portion of people, a very great many of whom are in a key state, are upset about this. Is Bernie doubling down a sign of good political judgment?

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    It's going to happen over and over and over again now. Bernie is coming off like a wind-up communist apologist doll and no one around him is telling him he is ing up.

    why you scared?

    go vote for trump if you cant take the heat!


    bernie is trolling you

    tonite- he will TRIPLE-DOWN-

    you can clutch your pearls all the way to November lol

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    why you scared?

    go vote for trump if you cant take the heat!


    bernie is trolling you

    tonite- he will TRIPLE-DOWN-

    you can clutch your pearls all the way to November lol
    This is not a healthy discussion and only serves to proof a point where people have pointed out that it's Bernie's way or no way. If you're not 100% on Bernie than you're told to vote for Trump. How silly is that?

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    why you scared?

    go vote for trump if you cant take the heat!


    bernie is trolling you

    tonite- he will TRIPLE-DOWN-

    you can clutch your pearls all the way to November lol
    Way to unite Democrats there....I sense an incoming Scotsman.

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