What I'm comparing is the willingness to look the other way when you're candidate says some pretty indefensible . Whether that's on the candidate or the supporters or both is a distinction without a difference because you're left with the same ty candidate.
You think Bernie's statements on Castro has nothing to do with the candidate and only concerns his supporters?
no, but your previous comment was specifically about people giving him a pass or holding him accountable, not the comments themselves
as far as what it actually means from the candidate, i dont think its a big issue either way. has nothing to do with policy or what he'd do as president
its going to come up at the debate, if he's smart he just minimizes it, says its a distraction from policy that matters to the people, and redirects to the issue
I was responding to this:
The candidate/supporters distinction was something you created. At the end of the day, it's a distinction without difference.
strongly disagree
Bernie's statements on Castro are reflected in his policies. Trump's statements on his beliefs regarding executive power(s) are reflected in his policies. Bernie Bros and Trumpista's whatabout/give their guy a pass. What the supporter does is a lens through which to evaluate the candidate.
as far as their dictatorship/authoritarian regime that imprisoned political dissenters? he likes that they make education and health care accessible. this is getting close to the "lol why do you love venezuela" talking points.
No, not at all. He's spoken highly of certain Cuban policies. He's also a self-avowed socialist. His policies also have an authoritarian bent to them. I'm not being hyperbolic and you're creating strawmen.
lol any policy is authoritarian. thats the whole point
other than guaranteeing healthcare and education?
whats the authoritarian bend?
Exhibit A: Share Corporate Wealth with Workers. Under this plan, corporations with at least $100 million in annual revenue, corporations with at least $100 million in balance sheet total, and all publicly traded companies will be required to provide at least 2 percent of stock to their workers every year until the company is at least 20 percent owned by employees. This will be done through the issuing of new shares and the establishment of Democratic Employee Ownership Funds.
https://berniesanders.com/issues/cor...and-democracy/
Exhibit B: Expand the authority of the FTC to allow it to impose administrative fines on companies and halt mergers without challenging them in federal court.
Exhibit C through Exhibit Lol:
Ban mandatory arbitration clauses.
Ban non-compete clauses.
Ban unilateral modification clauses.
Should I keep going?
If you don't see a connection between his appreciation of socialist policies in Cuba and the above, I can't help you.
Someone giving their honest opinion can be a gaffe. We'll see how big a gaffe it turns out to be.
You say you dont give him a pass yet you do by saying this was a "gaffe 8 months before an election." We call that making up excuses for a deficiency of taking responsibility.
if we are going to describe regulations as authoritarian than yeah i guess so
You're a smart cat. You think banning non-compe ion agreements and forcing corporations to hand out stock is non-authoritarian? Really?
i think having the fines not being subject to judicial review is a good one to point to. i dont know that a ban on arbitration agreements any more authoritarian than minimum wages or protected leave, for instance.
I think prohibiting corporations or people from choosing a non-judicial forum for resolving their disputes is authoritarian but whatever.
But in any event, glad you saw the light
I think prohibiting corporations or people from choosing a non-judicial forum for resolving their disputes is authoritarian but whatever.
But in any event, glad you saw the light
Maybe you can explain how ALL of Bernie's policies - not just healthcare and education (but forgiveness of previous student debt) and the whopper of them all - the Green New Deal (after all, isn't climate change the most important to Bernie) do not end in more than an authoritarian bend? You think people are just gonna hand over what even one of these policies cost? And only the rich can't pay for all this. The more socialistic policies, the more authoritarian power needed to enforce and pay for them (and the less freedom you and I have).
Ah vy stands for Vinny..
"I'm done wit dis guy"
thats kind of the nature of laws. you have to follow them. if the concept of having laws and enforcing them is what you're going to call authoritarian, then sure.
Bernie doesn't try to hide what he is. It's not some random comment about Cuba that will turn voters off, it's his policies.
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