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    Being comfortable takes into factors like losing your job for a short period (that income isn't guaranteed). Keep in mind the example I'm referring to is something like 2 computer engineers (both making 150k each) with children. They have to live in that exorbitantly expensive area for their job, it isn't like they just really wanted to have a beach front home. Like I said though this is an extreme situation so we can just agree to disagree.





    Policy also tends to punish what people consider "bad behavior" like a tabacco tax/sugar tax etc. So how is a wealth tax not an attack/punishment towards wealth? And I'm not sure what you think wealthy people do with their money but they aren't just stuffing it into a safe, if they have any brains (which I'd assume an extremely wealthy person would) then they'd be reinvesting that money into the economy to make more money.
    The point is the wealth that the real 1%ís have was 1) made most of the time off exploiting labor and dodging taxes despite making ungodly profits & 2) that amount of concentrated wealth and power leads to the the corruption and legitimate issues we have today.

    Itís not like the billionaires are going to die. They will still have multiple BILLIONS of dollars after itís all said and done. I also like how people rally against ďsocialismĒ but have no problem with rich socialism in the form of bailouts and incentives and other things for the already rich/corporations.

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    He's made a lot of money as a politician has he not?
    Bruh - Bernie Sanders has a net worth of 2.5M. Heís 78. Plenty of average joes that save for retirement have that type of money. Sure, that is a lot of money, but itís not like heís been raking it in and living the high life.

    That is not even THAT much money for someone who has done as much as him for so long. That is like standard retirement level money that people who work for a long time save/have.

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    Being comfortable takes into factors like losing your job for a short period (that income isn't guaranteed). Keep in mind the example I'm referring to is something like 2 computer engineers (both making 150k each) with children. They have to live in that exorbitantly expensive area for their job, it isn't like they just really wanted to have a beach front home. Like I said though this is an extreme situation so we can just agree to disagree.
    yeah i think even in that scenario, their options aren't limited to

    a) 1.5 million dollar home
    b) living on the streets

    Policy also tends to punish what people consider "bad behavior" like a tabacco tax/sugar tax etc. So how is a wealth tax not an attack/punishment towards wealth? And I'm not sure what you think wealthy people do with their money but they aren't just stuffing it into a safe, if they have any brains (which I'd assume an extremely wealthy person would) then they'd be reinvesting that money into the economy to make more money.
    the tax burden should be representative of what somebody can generally pay. somebody earning 50 million per year wouldn't realistically be able to observe a difference in standard of living between having a marginal tax rate of 37% or 47%, while a 10% difference could cripple a family of 4 with a household income of 60k (median in the US). its not a punishment, its a realistic representation on what people can part with without jeopardizing their livelihood.

    the wealth tax is a bit of a different category, but i think i'd just be repeating my previous post. i think instead of "stimulating the economy" through investing in stock portfolios so they can raise their net worth from 55 million to 60 million, we'd be better served with a small percentage (warren's plan is 2% of wealth in excess of 50 mil) of that going toward child care/college tuitions, etc

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    Bruh - Bernie Sanders has a net worth of 2.5M. He’s 78. Plenty of average joes that save for retirement have that type of money. Sure, that is a lot of money, but it’s not like he’s been raking it in and living the high life.

    That is not even THAT much money for someone who has done as much as him for so long. That is like standard retirement level money that people who work for a long time save/have.
    A net worth of 2.5M puts him in the top 5% which classifies him as wealthy.

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    A net worth of 2.5M puts him in the top 5% which classifies him as wealthy.
    Look - if you canít have an adult discussion with context whatís the point? Also, that goes to show you the real issue. Bernie is in the ďtop 5%Ē and heís a piss ant compared to the 1%
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    The point is the wealth that the real 1%’s have was 1) made most of the time off exploiting labor and dodging taxes despite making ungodly profits & 2) that amount of concentrated wealth and power leads to the the corruption and legitimate issues we have today.

    It’s not like the billionaires are going to die. They will still have multiple BILLIONS of dollars after it’s all said and done. I also like how people rally against “socialism” but have no problem with rich socialism in the form of bailouts and incentives and other things for the already rich/corporations.

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    Some of y’all just don’t understand the struggle of us multimillionaires, tbh... we’re already forced to donate to charity to dodge as much taxing as possible, pay accountants through the nose to find every loophole, ‘donate’ to politicos to get them off our back. The only thing government is good for is handing us those filthy rich contracts, and those ain’t free either, they take a lot of greasing the right people.

    I want to see you guys pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps, like I did. It’s not our fault that we make more money trading stocks, futures, etc than employing people, tbh.

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    His policies will ruin America just like they did Sweden as I already mentioned. So I guess China would be a big winner along with many other countries.
    Ruin Sweden? What are you talking about?

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    Ruin Sweden? What are you talking about?
    You should see the he posts in the political forum.

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    Ruin Sweden? What are you talking about?
    They got rid of the braindead policy that Bernie is proposing. They had it. It was a catastrophic failure. They got rid of it. Now Bernie is proposing it.

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    Guy who wants to give the government more power and control is concerned with corruption.

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    Bruh - Bernie Sanders has a net worth of 2.5M. Heís 78. Plenty of average joes that save for retirement have that type of money. Sure, that is a lot of money, but itís not like heís been raking it in and living the high life.

    That is not even THAT much money for someone who has done as much as him for so long. That is like standard retirement level money that people who work for a long time save/have.
    Very well said, this whole discussion about him being a millionaire somehow negating his credibility is completely misleading when compared to the insane amount of wealth that people like Jeff Bezos have...

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    This thread is littered with envy of the rich. It's pretty sad tbh.

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    Very well said, this whole discussion about him being a millionaire somehow negates his credibility is completely misleading when compared to the insane amount of wealth that people like Jeff Bezos have...
    Except for the fact that in 2016 he would always say "millionaires and billionaires" and now that the socialist is a millionaire he cut that off.

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    Evil Bezos just announced he's allocating $10 billion to fight climate change.

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    This thread is littered with envy of the rich. It's pretty sad tbh.

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    Guy who wants to give the government more power and control is concerned with corruption.
    So if you think government is powerless, what’s your concern really about? And frankly, what ‘more’ power? Government already has the authority to tax as it see fits and is already on the hook for the largest portion of healthcare expenses. They already backstop college loans. What ’more’ powers? Like SR21 said, it’s all about policy.

    Ending corruption and better oversight are also intrinsic to any reform.

    Unlike you, I’m not a current or former BernieBro, tbh, but I can see how he is appealing in his message. There’s truly absolutely no money baron(s) that would be behind his policies. And in this climate of people being fed up with same old, same old, it resonates, IMO.

    Trumpistas should also stop pretending it’s this terrible message. POTUS campaigned on a closed economy, tariffs, his rich buddies ‘having to take a hit’ if he was elected (funny how that one didn’t pan out), how govt was going to provide ‘best and cheapest’ healthcare... don’t hate the player, hate the game.

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    Bruh Tim is black!
    debatable

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    This thread is littered with envy of the rich. It's pretty sad tbh.
    not envy. repulsion. and not the rich, but the filthy rich

    I have lots of rich friends with million dollar houses. nothing wrong with that. some support bernie as well

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    So if you think government is powerless, whatís your concern really about? And frankly, what Ďmoreí power? Government already has the authority to tax as it see fits and is already on the hook for the largest portion of healthcare expenses. They already backstop college loans. What ímoreí powers? Like SR21 said, itís all about policy.
    Not necessarily. The cons utionality of a direct tax on wealth as proposed by Warren is questionable, would be challenged legally and would go to the Supreme Court with the outcome uncertain, particularly given the courts current cons ution.
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    Does not seem to be Tim Duncan's year.

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    Guy who wants to give the government more power and control is concerned with corruption.
    Trump concerned with corruption.

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    Well the good news is you don’t have to make that decision; your actual dollars don’t change in this scenario really. And you get to help others! Win-win.

    But we just disagree - sure you may be healthy and most people vote for themselves vs others. That is totally rational behavior and doesn’t make you a bad person or anything. But a lot of us are starting to put this planet and others on equal footing as ourselves; especially when it means no real change in our quality of life.

    But to not see how there is a societal payoff for others health? Like I said, you know how many American’s are literally trapped at jobs because they can’t afford health insurance?

    Now imagine if that was not the case. Imagine all the people that could start business, make big changes, pump up the economy because they can work more vs being sick/injured all the time. Because they can leave jobs they hate to purse start ups and other careers without fear of dying or going into crippling debt is something health wise happens. There are real tangible benefits here.
    If your concern is that people are trapped in jobs because they need healthcare, why not just invest directly in new sectors and subsidize jobs in infrastructure and IT that innovate and also provide healthcare. Seems like you can do what you want and just cut out the middleman.

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    You should see the he posts in the political forum.
    Yep. When I'm not stopping to laugh at him for posting a topic that's next level stupid I just scroll past his takes. There is nothing to gain from any sort of serious discussion with him. He's the non-bot version of Chris.

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    If your concern is that people are trapped in jobs because they need healthcare, why not just invest directly in new sectors and subsidize jobs in infrastructure and IT that innovate and also provide healthcare. Seems like you can do what you want and just cut out the middleman.
    That’s not my “concern”. It was an example of a real actualized benefit to people having healthcare outside of the current trappings of this system.

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