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    Bloomberg is going to lose. Just think of all the scholarships he could’ve given out instead of buying tv airtime.
    Spends $400M trying not to pay $400M in taxes.

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    Lol mini getting his ass handed to him

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    Mini 500 million in toilet
    What a ing clown

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    Looking like a Contested Convention between two of the Oldest and Whitest guys and let me tell you it’s going to get ugly real quick. It reminds me “ No Place For Old Men” and “There Will Be Blood” the Bernie Bro’s Vs Biden/CNN/MSNBC it’s going to be epic!!!

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    How old was John McCain when he ran in 08? I think significantly younger than either JB or BS.

    Answer 71 on JM age when running.

    I think both the front runners are absolutely horrible candidates - even when you consider they are Democrats.

    They don't the juice physically for the job even for four years. Either one would probably die in office first term.

    A socialist will not succeed due to bad policy based on history - a person needing the old folks home in memory care will not succeed either.
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    How old was John McCain when he ran in 08? I think significantly younger than either JB or BS.
    71-72. president trump will be 74 when he's reelected

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    71-72. president trump will be 74 when he's reelected
    The funny thing is Trump does not look like he aged very much on the job - even eating the Mickey D Burgers from time to time.

    He may know a good plastic surgeon, but still.

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    Mini 500 million in toilet
    What a ing clown
    Naw, most of that $500 million was just aimed at Trump -- it wasn't wasted as you may (eventually) apprehend . . .

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    The funny thing is Trump does not look like he aged very much on the job - even eating the Mickey D Burgers from time to time.

    He may know a good plastic surgeon, but still.
    that’s what happens when you are just sitting around watching TV and playing on Twitter

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    Wasted endorsement. Mini Mike out.

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    that’s what happens when you are just sitting around watching TV and playing on Twitter
    You forgot to add playing basketball and surfing but man did Obama sure did age quite a bit his last term.

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    Japan took over and conquered the area of China that was important to them for their war effort, and it was never under threat by Chinese forces: industrialized Manchuria. I'm sure they felt that the ROI for a bunch of rice paddies in South China and a bunch of nothing in West China didn't justify the effort.
    Woefully incorrect.

    Japan took Manchuria in 1931, years prior to the Second Sino-Japanese War. Hence their primary war goal during the Second Sino Japanese War was NOT to "take industrialized Manchuria," as they had already been in control of that region for years prior.

    Also, they did not take Manchuria for it's "industry" as it had very little industry at the time. They took it primarily because of it's NATURAL RESOURCES. Japan had industry, China had little (and what little they did have was NOT located in Manchuria). China had resources, Japan had nearly none.

    Resources, and an opportunity to create a buffer state against the Soviet Union to defend Korea, Sakhalin, and other territories taken by the Japanese from the Russians after the Russo-Japanese War, were the primary reasons Japan invaded Manchuria prior to the Second Sino-Japanese War.

    If you want to learn more about the 1937-1945 Chinese victory over the Japanese, read my response to "hater."

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    yup Japan conquered china easily

    anyone that denies is hasnt read history
    You clearly have no background in either history or the military and are just blowing smoke.

    I began studying military history in the '80s as I was training as a military officer. While my degrees are in engineering, public health, and business, I have a minor in history as well as a lifelong passion for military history. So while I'm not a professional military historian, I'm a bit better educated on the matter than the average "Spurstalk" forum member.

    Feel free to attempt to make an intelligent refutation of anything that follows, if you can. The Second Sino-Japanese War is a deep and fascinating subject, and one that I've only recently begun to study in depth.

    In a previous post, I explained in some detail how utterly clueless "exstatic" was. You may want to read that response first.

    Anyway, China most certainly did NOT "conquer china easily." Early in the war (1937-38) they managed to win a number of victories over the Chinese forces, taking many several large cities, primarily along the coast, and inflicting heavy casualties, while taking far heavier than expected casualties to their own forces. However, they never conquered more than a tiny portion of China, and even in the "conquered" areas, rarely held control outside of the cities themselves. They never won a complete military victory- not even close. They became bogged down, taking losses they could ill afford to take. Their attempts to raise local armies to hold territory against guerrillas proved to be about as effective as when the USA did the same thing in attempting to "win" in Vietnam or Afghanistan- largely a failure.

    So by 1939, the Japanese forces were overstretched and barely able to hold the cities they had captured, and were largely unable to secure their supply lines.

    Then the tide of the war began to change. Up until that point, they had primarily just forced the Japanese to expend far greater than expected resources to get their "wins." The brutality demonstrated by the Japanese at Nanking was largely due to Japanese frustration that they had met much stiffer resistance than expected and taken heavy casualties in battles they had expected to win with ease (at Shanghai, Xinkou, Nanking, Wuhan, and others).

    In 1939, Chinese forces started winning major battles (e.g. Suixian-Zaoyang, 1st Changsha, and South Guangshi). Taking heavy casualties, but bleeding the Japanese forces of men and resources. This, in addition to the losses incurred by the Japanese due to Chinese guerrilla activities, significantly limited the ability of the Japanese to make further gains. The Chinese, with a massive population, were fighting a war of attrition. They could afford to lose hundreds of thousands of soldiers, whereas the Japanese could not afford to lose even tens of thousands at every battle.

    While the Japanese precariously held the large cities (with constant threats to their supply lines), they controlled almost none of the smaller cities/villages and countryside. They continuously lost men and equipment to guerrillas, equipment they could ill afford to lose, given that their main fear was an invasion by the Soviets. The situation was so bad, that Japan had to strip most of it's best troops from Manchuria (where they kept many of their best units to thwart any Soviet invasion) to hold the Chinese cities and keep supply lines open. Which is why, when the Soviets finally did invade Manchuria in the last weeks of the war, they found the remaining Japanese forces in Manchuria to be largely poorly trained conscripts, nearly useless locally raised Chinese forces (who had no loyalty to Japan), and broken down men who were no longer fit for front line service. The Japanese remnants and their local puppet allies were swept aside with ease.

    It's a fascinating war. You could read about it for years and only begin to scratch the surface. I didn't even get into the machinations of the various members of the supposedly united Chinese front (Nationalists, Communists, Warlords, and others).

    But your claim that "Japan conquered china easily" demonstrates that your knowledge of the war is likely limited to watching a couple of movies about the Battle and subsequent atrocities committed by the Japanese at Nanking. Entertaining stuff, but it hardly makes you an expert on such a massive war.

    Based on the knowledge you've show, I'd guess, you also think the French were "surrender monkeys" who ran away and didn't fight in WW2?

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    Tim Duncan proved himself to be a dumbass in the area of politics just as Pop has tbh

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    Now mini is going to get sued he told them he pay them tell nov
    Then says you

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    Now mini is going to get sued he told them he pay them tell nov
    Then says you
    Oh man, you're going love this man called Donald Trump

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    Tim has always been hit or miss on his personal decisions.

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    You clearly have no background in either history or the military and are just blowing smoke.

    I began studying military history in the '80s as I was training as a military officer. While my degrees are in engineering, public health, and business, I have a minor in history as well as a lifelong passion for military history. So while I'm not a professional military historian, I'm a bit better educated on the matter than the average "Spurstalk" forum member.

    Feel free to attempt to make an intelligent refutation of anything that follows, if you can. The Second Sino-Japanese War is a deep and fascinating subject, and one that I've only recently begun to study in depth.

    In a previous post, I explained in some detail how utterly clueless "exstatic" was. You may want to read that response first.

    Anyway, China most certainly did NOT "conquer china easily." Early in the war (1937-38) they managed to win a number of victories over the Chinese forces, taking many several large cities, primarily along the coast, and inflicting heavy casualties, while taking far heavier than expected casualties to their own forces. However, they never conquered more than a tiny portion of China, and even in the "conquered" areas, rarely held control outside of the cities themselves. They never won a complete military victory- not even close. They became bogged down, taking losses they could ill afford to take. Their attempts to raise local armies to hold territory against guerrillas proved to be about as effective as when the USA did the same thing in attempting to "win" in Vietnam or Afghanistan- largely a failure.

    So by 1939, the Japanese forces were overstretched and barely able to hold the cities they had captured, and were largely unable to secure their supply lines.

    Then the tide of the war began to change. Up until that point, they had primarily just forced the Japanese to expend far greater than expected resources to get their "wins." The brutality demonstrated by the Japanese at Nanking was largely due to Japanese frustration that they had met much stiffer resistance than expected and taken heavy casualties in battles they had expected to win with ease (at Shanghai, Xinkou, Nanking, Wuhan, and others).

    In 1939, Chinese forces started winning major battles (e.g. Suixian-Zaoyang, 1st Changsha, and South Guangshi). Taking heavy casualties, but bleeding the Japanese forces of men and resources. This, in addition to the losses incurred by the Japanese due to Chinese guerrilla activities, significantly limited the ability of the Japanese to make further gains. The Chinese, with a massive population, were fighting a war of attrition. They could afford to lose hundreds of thousands of soldiers, whereas the Japanese could not afford to lose even tens of thousands at every battle.

    While the Japanese precariously held the large cities (with constant threats to their supply lines), they controlled almost none of the smaller cities/villages and countryside. They continuously lost men and equipment to guerrillas, equipment they could ill afford to lose, given that their main fear was an invasion by the Soviets. The situation was so bad, that Japan had to strip most of it's best troops from Manchuria (where they kept many of their best units to thwart any Soviet invasion) to hold the Chinese cities and keep supply lines open. Which is why, when the Soviets finally did invade Manchuria in the last weeks of the war, they found the remaining Japanese forces in Manchuria to be largely poorly trained conscripts, nearly useless locally raised Chinese forces (who had no loyalty to Japan), and broken down men who were no longer fit for front line service. The Japanese remnants and their local puppet allies were swept aside with ease.

    It's a fascinating war. You could read about it for years and only begin to scratch the surface. I didn't even get into the machinations of the various members of the supposedly united Chinese front (Nationalists, Communists, Warlords, and others).

    But your claim that "Japan conquered china easily" demonstrates that your knowledge of the war is likely limited to watching a couple of movies about the Battle and subsequent atrocities committed by the Japanese at Nanking. Entertaining stuff, but it hardly makes you an expert on such a massive war.

    Based on the knowledge you've show, I'd guess, you also think the French were "surrender monkeys" who ran away and didn't fight in WW2?
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