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    So let's go with the tried and true method of the center right candidate running on "I'm not Trump" because it was so wildly successful in 2016?
    And beyond that, people like Bloomberg that very obviously have a poor track record with minorities have no shot IMO. You can’t just be Trump with better talking points. People are tried of that sh*t.

    Bernie is the one. A large portion of people voted for Trump because he was going to “drain the swamp”. Was truly genius. Now that he’s been exposed as part of the swamp (as was Hillary and as is Bloomberg), people more than ever want the true drain the swamper. That’s Bernie.

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    And beyond that, people like Bloomberg that very obviously have a poor track record with minorities have no shot IMO. You can’t just be Trump with better talking points. People are tried of that sh*t.

    Bernie is the one. A large portion of people voted for Trump because he was going to “drain the swamp”. Was truly genius. Now that he’s been exposed as part of the swamp (as was Hillary and as is Bloomberg), people more than ever want the true drain the swamper. That’s Bernie.
    2016 pretty much showed you don't need to chase the center if you can motivate your base. Still can't believe Trump won Wisconsin in 2016 with fewer votes than Romney got losing Wisconsin in 2012. Tells you how much the Democratic base likes the bland centrist backed by the party establishment.

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    Don’t normally do politics but a vote for Bernie in the primaries is a vote for Trump in the general election with the bonus of losing the house. Bernie is the woke generations’ Eugene McCarthy. Been there, done that.
    You should do more research before saying that. Trump's main base of supporter are disenchanted lower class, working class-white people in the rural area. Bernie peels off a lot of Trump supporters and all polls show him beating Trump head to head more than any other viable candidate this year or last election cycle.

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    2016 pretty much showed you don't need to chase the center if you can motivate your base. Still can't believe Trump won Wisconsin in 2016 with fewer votes than Romney got losing Wisconsin in 2012. Tells you how much the Democratic base likes the bland centrist backed by the party establishment.
    The DNC is a steaming hot pile of sh*t. So out of touch with both reality and their own base it’s mind blowing. It’s why they hate Bernie as well. But ironically, IMO, Bernie resonates with a larger portion of Trump voters (meaning the not racist or mega wealthy ones) that truly want some change and that doesn’t have the baggage and that doesn’t sit in center just to get elected.

    Basically, Bernie is everything Trump campaigned on but with a legitimate heart, plan and ap ude for the job. Even if he will face monumental blowback from the elites (both Dem and Rep).

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    Cue in all the trumpocrats.

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    There are four possibilities:
    Bernie will get the nomination, garner enough centrist vote and win the general election.
    A centrist democrat will get the nomination, likely Bloomberg, garner enough woke votes and win the general election.
    Bernie will get the nomination, turn off the centrist democratic vote with social democrat rhetoric and lose the general election.
    A centrist democrat will get the nomination, likely Bloomberg, the woke crowd will stay home, there dreams unfulfilled, and Trump will win the general election.
    All indications from the Trump campaign personnel’s actions and rhetoric is that they see a Sanders nomination as the best, easiest path to victory, but what do they know.
    Only a fool can’t understand that a centrist is more capable of pulling away some middle of road votes from Trump than Sanders can.
    Apparently Duncan is not just smarter in basketball than many here but in real life as well.
    End of my foray into politics on Spurstalk.

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    You should do more research before saying that. Trump's main base of supporter are disenchanted lower class, working class-white people in the rural area. Bernie peels off a lot of Trump supporters and all polls show him beating Trump head to head more than any other viable candidate this year or last election cycle.
    Actually head to head polls showed Bloomberg had a one percentage point greater advantage over Trump compared to Sanders.

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    The DNC is a steaming hot pile of sh*t. So out of touch with both reality and their own base it’s mind blowing. It’s why they hate Bernie as well. But ironically, IMO, Bernie resonates with a larger portion of Trump voters (meaning the not racist or mega wealthy ones) that truly want some change and that doesn’t have the baggage and that doesn’t sit in center just to get elected.

    Basically, Bernie is everything Trump campaigned on but with a legitimate heart, plan and ap ude for the job. Even if he will face monumental blowback from the elites (both Dem and Rep).
    They're hugely out of touch remaking their party in the image of Bill Clinton, who won largely thanks to Ross Perot running a spoiler campaign against Bush. They should have learned from 2016 that Clinton is toxic to the electorate but they keep wanting to double down on centrism plus iden y politics.

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    There are four possibilities:
    Bernie will get the nomination, garner enough centrist vote and win the general election.
    A centrist democrat will get the nomination, likely Bloomberg, garner enough woke votes and win the general election.
    Bernie will get the nomination, turn off the centrist democratic vote with social democrat rhetoric and lose the general election.
    A centrist democrat will get the nomination, likely Bloomberg, the woke crowd will stay home, there dreams unfulfilled, and Trump will win the general election.
    All indications from the Trump campaign personnel’s actions and rhetoric is that they see a Sanders nomination as the best, easiest path to victory, but what do they know.
    Only a fool can’t understand that a centrist is more capable of pulling away some middle of road votes from Trump than Sanders can.
    Apparently Duncan is not just smarter in basketball than many here but in real life as well.
    End of my foray into politics on Spurstalk.
    I think you have it backwards.

    I think enough people RIGHT NOW are casting their favorites but still hold the “never Trump”. Once Bernie is the person, all the arguments against him vs their person of choice RIGHT NOW, will subside and he will get the votes needed (not to mention people that naturally already love Bernie and his chances without some other people factored in).

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    They're hugely out of touch remaking their party in the image of Bill Clinton, who won largely thanks to Ross Perot running a spoiler campaign against Bush. They should have learned from 2016 that Clinton is toxic to the electorate but they keep wanting to double down on centrism plus iden y politics.
    Yup. It’s silly. But they are going to learn the hard way this time around. It’s why Bernie is leading everything despite running a race with a 200pound weigh around his ankle.

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    There are four possibilities:
    Bernie will get the nomination, garner enough centrist vote and win the general election.
    A centrist democrat will get the nomination, likely Bloomberg, garner enough woke votes and win the general election.
    Bernie will get the nomination, turn off the centrist democratic vote with social democrat rhetoric and lose the general election.
    A centrist democrat will get the nomination, likely Bloomberg, the woke crowd will stay home, there dreams unfulfilled, and Trump will win the general election.
    All indications from the Trump campaign personnel’s actions and rhetoric is that they see a Sanders nomination as the best, easiest path to victory, but what do they know.
    Only a fool can’t understand that a centrist is more capable of pulling away some middle of road votes from Trump than Sanders can.
    Apparently Duncan is not just smarter in basketball than many here but in real life as well.
    End of my foray into politics on Spurstalk.
    Ridiculous, Bernie supporters didn't cost Hillary the election in 2016. Her running a tired campaign of "I'm not Trump" inspired no one and depressed turnout. Tell me again how well targeting Republicans did in 2016 for Clinton? Republican voters love Trump because he runs with the conspiracy theories they hear all day on Clear Channel and all night on Fox News. Republican voters went home to their party in 2016 and no matter who the Democrats run they'll be labeled socialists by the right wing media, same way center-right Hillary was in 2016. But you're not pulling votes from Trump. Trying to pull votes from Trump is why we're in this mess to begin with.

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    Actually head to head polls showed Bloomberg had a one percentage point greater advantage over Trump compared to Sanders.
    Ok that one poll does not counter the dozens I was referring to.

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    I think you have it backwards.

    I think enough people RIGHT NOW are casting their favorites but still hold the “never Trump”. Once Bernie is the person, all the arguments against him vs their person of choice RIGHT NOW, will subside and he will get the votes needed (not to mention people that naturally already love Bernie and his chances without some other people factored in).
    So why in the two primaries the total votes garnered by the centrist candidates far exceeded the total votes garnered by the left/progressive candidates.

    This is not complicated.

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    So why in the two primaries the total votes garnered by the centrist candidates far exceeded the total votes garnered by the left/progressive candidates.

    This is not complicated.
    I think it was 53% for the moderates and 47% for the lefties (and there were only two lefties and like four centrists to contribute to the 53%).

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    TD will be in his cabinet. Head of the Department of Fundamentals

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    So Timmy got quid pro quo’d into voting for Bloomberg.

    Timmy can vote for whoever he wants. Pop can too. I don’t hate them for it. It’s their choice. But Pops political rants have a lot less bite when the team sucks because his arrogance has him coaching the team like , and owners, players and fans are counting down the seconds until he leaves, besides Patty and Forbes of course.

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    So why in the two primaries the total votes garnered by the centrist candidates far exceeded the total votes garnered by the left/progressive candidates.

    This is not complicated.
    Same kind of thinking got people writing Trump off in the primaries. Way too early to make those kind of calls when Sanders won one and should have won the other.

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    So why in the two primaries the total votes garnered by the centrist candidates far exceeded the total votes garnered by the left/progressive candidates.

    This is not complicated.
    Well, if your simple math is aggregating everyone vs Bernie, yeah. Doesn’t work like that. Which single person has the most votes?

    Beyond that, read what I wrote before. Sure, right now, there are people that may like others more (maybe way more) than Bernie. But when he is the candidate you think all those people will drop out and say “screw it”? No. They will come around 1) because they have to and 2) unlike other POS that run (like Hillary) there’s no dirt on him. Agree with is policies are not, he’s one of the best people and that alone will be enough for the never Trumpers.

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    Bloomberg is not even a democrat. He's only in the race to try to stop Sanders for his rich buddies. Bezos asked him to run for Christ's sake.

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    I think it was 53% for the moderates and 47% for the lefties (and there were only two lefties and like four centrists to contribute to the 53%).
    Average the two primaries and it was the two progressive/left candidates had 39%.

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    Didn't Tim endorse Niko LaHood for DA?
    That’s who I was trying to think of, thank you! Thought I was having a deja vu

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    They're hugely out of touch remaking their party in the image of Bill Clinton, who won largely thanks to Ross Perot running a spoiler campaign against Bush. They should have learned from 2016 that Clinton is toxic to the electorate but they keep wanting to double down on centrism plus iden y politics.
    that faction within the democrats that parrots the talking point regarding the unelectability of sanders are 1) buying into the narrative, driven by the likes of klobuchar, clintonites and media types such as MSNBC's chris matthews, that sanders is a full-fledged socialist when, in fact, sanders is basically a new deal democrat. so, what these factions are saying is that they either never cared for that era of the democrats or that it has been since bested by the far more centrist policies of neoliberalism that has been championed by both parties since the reagan administration. 2) warning everyone of the grave dangers of the socialist economics of sanders that will levy a huge cost on the DNC, in the form of lost congressional seats, which is just doubling down on the premise that the democrats are indeed self-proclaimed centrists (and proud of it, dammit!). 3) ignoring the fact that a big part of the reason that clinton lost was because she was so patronizing to the younger demographic (and black lives matter and other such movements); this demographic did not take the lesser evil when it came time to voting and 4) further moving the political spectrum of the country more and more to the right. clinton democrats are further to the right than the liberal republicans of days past; if they continue to insist that anything to the left of their center is just bad for the country, they are just doing the bidding of the right.

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    that faction within the democrats that parrots the talking point regarding the unelectability of sanders are 1) buying into the narrative, driven by the likes of klobuchar, clintonites and media types such as MSNBC's chris matthews, that sanders is a full-fledged socialist when, in fact, sanders is basically a new deal democrat. so, what these factions are saying is that they either never cared for that era of the democrats or that it has been since bested by the far more centrist policies of neoliberalism that has been championed by both parties since the reagan administration. 2) warning everyone of the grave dangers of the socialist economics of sanders that will levy a huge cost on the DNC, in the form of lost congressional seats, which is just doubling down on the premise that the democrats are indeed self-proclaimed centrists (and proud of it, dammit!). 3) ignoring the fact that a big part of the reason that clinton lost was because she was so patronizing to the younger demographic (and black lives matter and other such movements); this demographic did not take the lesser evil when it came time to voting and 4) further moving the political spectrum of the country more and more to the right. clinton democrats are further to the right than the liberal republicans of days past; if they continue to insist that anything to the left of their center is just bad for the country, they are just doing the bidding of the right.
    Just makes me want to vomit when I hear establishment Democrats constantly invoke FDR's name when they're actively undermining his legacy and trying to tar the one candidate who actually believes in it. Gotta love Chris Matthews talking like Sanders would have had him hanged in Central Park.

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    Just makes me want to vomit when I hear establishment Democrats constantly invoke FDR's name when they're actively undermining his legacy and trying to tar the one candidate who actually believes in it. Gotta love Chris Matthews talking like Sanders would have had him hanged in Central Park.
    It’s insane. 1) how people cant see that Bernie isn’t even that far left compared to the world we live in now and that 2) how the DNC elites are really no better and care just as little about the greater good as any Republican.

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    It’s insane. 1) how people cant see that Bernie isn’t even that far left compared to the world we live in now and that 2) how the DNC elites are really no better and care just as little about the greater good as any Republican.
    true story.

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