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    If you fought for non billionaires as hard as people with 100 lifetimes worth of money world we be awesome.
    I have no objections to increasing taxes on the wealthy. Just have objections to some of the simplistic tropes put out by some of these candidates and adoringly embraced by their fans.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-to-...ng-11576195130

    Not to even consider Warrenís plan would require a cons utional amendment which ainít gonna happen. How about a candidate that actually presents a feasible plan popular with the majority of voters.
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    Mike Bloomberg may have lost his bid for the nomination by his woeful performance last night. But for me, he lost it when he sought Tim Duncan's endorsement instead of Lebron's. Let's be honest, Tim is NOT a star in the sense of popularity. He's known, but he's not a superstar in the media. If Bloomberg knew what he was doing, he'd have got LeBron to endorse him. He could be Lebron's China. Offset his China losses and Lebron will back him up 100% no matter how dissonant Bloomberg is to the majority of today's democrat ideology and whatever soapbox Lebron will stand on against anyone that doesn't pay him.

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    he got dragged last you love to see it.

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    in a perfect world? sure I agree with Bernie

    where does he say he will kill them all?
    He says he would kill off their wealth. You'd know that if you read the article.

    His tax plan would have someone like me paying nearly 10,000 more per year, and I'm nowhere near a millionaire much less a billionaire.

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    TD's endorsement makes sense. I seriously doubt he's some ardent Bloomberg supporter, though.

    I keep reading that Bloomberg got roasted last night but that's far from the case. It was his first debate in a while. If he polishes up his strategy and comes up with decent responses to his harassment he'll roll over the other candidates, ethics and buying the candidacy aside. It's obvious they fear him. And I'm not a Bloomberg supporter. None of the Dems said or did anything that made me think "that's the one".

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    Mike Bloomberg may have lost his bid for the nomination by his woeful performance last night. But for me, he lost it when he sought Tim Duncan's endorsement instead of Lebron's. Let's be honest, Tim is NOT a star in the sense of popularity. He's known, but he's not a superstar in the media.
    It's more nuanced than that. Tim is no national media star at this point, but SA's voting populace is a huge factor in the Texas Democratic primary -- that's what Bloomberg is going after.

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    He says he would kill off their wealth. You'd know that if you read the article.

    His tax plan would have someone like me paying nearly 10,000 more per year, and I'm nowhere near a millionaire much less a billionaire.
    His tax plan doesn't mean without Congress backing him up, which they won't. He's got some good ideas, but both sides of the party are too far apart for them to actually come together and do anything beneficial.

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    His tax plan doesn't mean without Congress backing him up, which they won't. He's got some good ideas, but both sides of the party are too far apart for them to actually come together and do anything beneficial.
    That may be how things shake out. But the consequences of the tax plan he proposes (without congressional dilution) speaks for itself.

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    He's perhaps the Dems best option for beating Trump. He lacks charisma, from what I can see, so Donald may be able to out slug him on the campaign trail, as no one is a better bull ter than the president. But for those middle of the road voters and those who seem to think Donald's wealth and business experience somehow makes him qualified to run the country, I could see Bloomberg grabbing a lot of that vote. Similar to how Trump isn't a blueprint Repulican, Bloomberg would be the same for the Democrats. Bernie is perhaps too polarizing to attract the non-committed Republican vote. Bloomberg could pull those voters over to the Democratic side of the fence. No one else beyond Sanders and perhaps Bloomberg have the ability to topple Trump, IMO.

    Bloomberg might be the right vote for those who simply don't want to see Trump win again. The lesser of two evils approach.

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    ... and overall unemployment in the EU is nearly twice that of the US, particularly high among the youth with considerable disillusionment for future prospects. Iím all for healthcare reform but there is no paradise.
    why is the assumption that we have to become europe all or nothing? why not just take the best parts aka guaranteeing healthcare and college and then continue to do the rest our own way?

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    why is the assumption that we have to become europe all or nothing? why not just take the best parts aka guaranteeing healthcare and college and then continue to do the rest our own way?
    Only part of Europe we have adopted is the blood & soil nationalism of our Dear Leader and the GOP.

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    why is the assumption that we have to become europe all or nothing? why not just take the best parts aka guaranteeing healthcare and college and then continue to do the rest our own way?
    Tbh I don't know much about universal health care, but is it harder for us to do because we have like 330 million people (which is a of a lot more than any other country who has it) or does that play no part at all?

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    It's more nuanced than that. Tim is no national media star at this point, but SA's voting populace is a huge factor in the Texas Democratic primary -- that's what Bloomberg is going after.

    Could be so, but I was just trying to do a gratuitous jab at Lebron.

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    why is the assumption that we have to become europe all or nothing? why not just take the best parts aka guaranteeing healthcare and college and then continue to do the rest our own way?
    More than 40 percent of college graduates take positions out of school that don't require a degree, the study found. And more than 1 in 5 college grads still aren't working a degree-demanding job a decade after leaving school. How about instead we actually put a useful program in place like subsidized free training like electricians, plumbers or the skilled work force that will be required for future jobs. Probably because that’s not Bernie bro cool.

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    why is the assumption that we have to become europe all or nothing? why not just take the best parts aka guaranteeing healthcare and college and then continue to do the rest our own way?
    Because “socialism” is black and white and no traditional definitions are viable in any way shape or form!


    Forget that multiple countries have done many of these things - one state in America tried and it failed!! Doesn’t work!!

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    I also love the “I agree this system is broken and corrupt but let’s stick with it because those confines in place that create the inequality exist so what’s the point???!” Mentality.

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    Tbh I don't know much about universal health care, but is it harder for us to do because we have like 330 million people (which is a of a lot more than any other country who has it) or does that play no part at all?
    having more people isn't a limitation

    ask any insurer if its better to have more or less people in the risk pool

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    I also love the “I agree this system is broken and corrupt but let’s stick with it because those confines in place that create the inequality exist so what’s the point???!” Mentality.
    the devil you know...

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    Look at one factor related to healthcare costs in most countries with national healthcare programs vs the US, obesity.

    https://ourworldindata.org/obesity

    Obesity results in high blood pressure, diabetes, heart disease, inactivity all which significantly drive long term health care costs. It isnít that simple and cost comparisons are not straight forward. How about throwing in a little personal responsibility like if you donít make an effort to take care of yourself you have a higher insurance premium, kind of like auto insurance and accidents. Guess thatís not politically correct.

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    Duncan just went full re supporting Bloomberg who is currently trying to buy an election. The only reason he is on the debate stage is he is buying favor with the corrupt Democrats who changed the rules for him.

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    Bloomsburg is fairly moderate and even a bit right of center on healthcare, crime, and spending. He's essentially the best of all world's candidate with the lowest negatives. A wise endorsement for a celebrity not wishing to cause ire.
    Buying his way on to the debate stage is fairly extreme tbh. Democrats allowing that after resisting Tulsi just shows how corrupt they are.

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    Yep they talk the talk but don’t walk the walk.

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    At least he didnít endorse Bernie tbh.

    I do follow politics and picnroll is right on. Bernie has zero chance of winning the general election electorally.

    Woke leftists have purity tested all the rational candidates out of the race, so ironically theyíve opened the door for Bloomberg who out of everybody left, probably fares best against Trump.
    Even though Bernie has a failed ideology and has a history of praising multiple failed states that have implemented his ideology. Even with Bernie going from "open borders is a Koch brothers proposal" to an effective open borders candidate that wants to give them free healthcare. Despite a laundry list of problems that make him inadequate at least he has support(although his support is mostly ignorant people that only consume leftist media) from actual people and didn't buy his way on stage by donating to corrupt Democrats. Bloomberg is a joke and Duncan is an idiot for supporting him.

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    having more people isn't a limitation

    ask any insurer if its better to have more or less people in the risk pool
    330 million people isn't a financial limitation, tho?

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    He says he would kill off their wealth. You'd know that if you read the article.

    His tax plan would have someone like me paying nearly 10,000 more per year, and I'm nowhere near a millionaire much less a billionaire.
    kill off their wealth?

    quotes please that WSJ does not give access

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