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    Weather nephew ed over the franchise or not is no excuse for this team to suck as much as they do now.

    First there were the Mills and Pau extensions, who both still get paid while only one of them plays here. Then they constructed a garbage roster around Leonard cause they thought he would still stay when he was hiding for a whole season. Then they traded him for DeMar DeRozan. And then they threw in Danny Green as well. That was the dumbest move of em all. That's the type of player this team still needs to this day. Then they went and gave Bertans away for free and signed Carroll who they are paying for 3 full seasons while he's playing for Houston.

    Only a senile idiot with his drunk GM can up that often. Give this team Green and Bertans and that's good enough for them to still be in the playoffs while developing the picks. Nephew bailing ain't enough of an excuse on why this franchise sucks. It's Flopovich and his ego, which is the main reason nephew left in the first place
    Bravo

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    I'm not absolving them of blame for their current state, just saying let's get the facts straight. By far the biggest reason for their being in the predicament they are, is what he did to them.

    They only reason they're not sitting on the war chest of young assets the Pelicans are (minus Williamson, obviously), is because of what he did.

    Make a trade like that and a lot of the ensuing nonsense we've seen since then probably doesn't happen.

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    This is the type of (instant) revisionist history this puke has benefitted from to repair his image and reputation.

    You don't think the Spurs wanted young talent? Had he not intentionally destroyed his value, they'd have been able to get it of the premium or at least good variety and not the mediocrity they were offered.

    Davis didn't refuse to play while healthy, hide halfway across the country, have his sleazebag uncle attempt to destroy the Pelicans reputation and make it clear that he'd only re-sign in L.A.
    TBH it’s not revisionist. It’s my belief Spurs knew for a long time he wasn’t signing back and wanted out and held on to him hoping to convince him and his camp played hardball. At the time I supported that decision bc I would have rather they kept Kawhi if it was at all possible, of course. But it wasn’t known until after the fact how bad things were and how broken up they were. They were in a much better position to know the originally called “rift” wasn’t going to end well and passed on a lot of offers for him bc they would rather keep him. It wa widely reported at the time actually that they weren’t looking to e him and were turning teams away. They actually held on to him too long. I’d rather they just kept him one more season rather than the package they got tbh. There’s no one that’s going to convince me that was all that was offered for him since the “rumblings” started.


    Heck Pop was rumored to also knowingly trying to convince the Pelicans not to trade Davis to the Lakers. At that rate the Pelicans would have sent Davis East for a terrible package (but at least not the Lakers...!!!)

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    Kawhi left because of how he was treated... We see for ourselves that the FO is horrible... They don't deserve the benefit of the doubt in the Kawhi saga... Word is they were being shady, and I believe it... And Kawhi was willing to sign back inspire of all that, bit being lowballed while LMA gets aax extension, plus the patty and gasol contracts was the nail in the coffin

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    Kawhi left because of how he was treated... We see for ourselves that the FO is horrible... They don't deserve the benefit of the doubt in the Kawhi saga... Word is they were being shady, and I believe it... And Kawhi was willing to sign back inspire of all that, bit being lowballed while LMA gets aax extension, plus the patty and gasol contracts was the nail in the coffin


    He left partly because of it. He left because he wanted to go to southern California. Patfo gave him even more of a reason to go by throwing him under the bus to the media. Of course, giving patty 50mil and gasol 48m most likely did have kawhi question whether it was worth staying 1 more year as well.

    So yeah I agree with you in a way. Patfo have made some questionable decisions that they are paying for now

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    It isn't just KL, I can't blame him for wanting to get out of this ty org, he saw it coming...literally no big FA wants to play for pop..trading KL is one thing, but throwing in DG and misusing Bertans, along with the ridiculous contracts for Gasol, Mills and Carroll is inexcusable...we are paying $11 mil next year for 2 players that are not even on the team, any other coach and GM would be fired, I seriously hope they lose out and can get a top 10 pick, because that is the only way we are going to get some talent on the team, but even then, patfo will stick the lottery pick in Austin for 3 years and wonder why he wants to leave when his rookie contract is up... and get ready for forbes getting a 4 year $50 mil contract...patfo have been exposed and the fans are the ones paying the price.

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    TBH it’s not revisionist. It’s my belief Spurs knew for a long time he wasn’t signing back and wanted out and held on to him hoping to convince him and his camp played hardball. At the time I supported that decision bc I would have rather they kept Kawhi if it was at all possible, of course. But it wasn’t known until after the fact how bad things were and how broken up they were. They were in a much better position to know the originally called “rift” wasn’t going to end well and passed on a lot of offers for him bc they would rather keep him. It wa widely reported at the time actually that they weren’t looking to e him and were turning teams away. They actually held on to him too long. I’d rather they just kept him one more season rather than the package they got tbh. There’s no one that’s going to convince me that was all that was offered for him since the “rumblings” started.


    Heck Pop was rumored to also knowingly trying to convince the Pelicans not to trade Davis to the Lakers. At that rate the Pelicans would have sent Davis East for a terrible package (but at least not the Lakers...!!!)
    Comparing the S bag saga to the Davis situation and pretending they were similar and the only difference was front office competence or lackthereof, is absurd and revisionist history.

    Whether they waited too long to trade him or not, the same reasons that brought his value down existed months earlier too. The bottom line is, he screwed them.

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    It isn't just KL, I can't blame him for wanting to get out of this ty org, he saw it coming...literally no big FA wants to play for pop..trading KL is one thing, but throwing in DG and misusing Bertans, along with the ridiculous contracts for Gasol, Mills and Carroll is inexcusable...we are paying $11 mil next year for 2 players that are not even on the team, any other coach and GM would be fired, I seriously hope they lose out and can get a top 10 pick, because that is the only way we are going to get some talent on the team, but even then, patfo will stick the lottery pick in Austin for 3 years and wonder why he wants to leave when his rookie contract is up... and get ready for forbes getting a 4 year $50 mil contract...patfo have been exposed and the fans are the ones paying the price.



    add to that, the spurs didn't even want to offer kawhi the super max until they saw him play..way to treat the only finals MVP they had since 2007

    funny how the spurs got good for the greater part of the 2010s after kawhi got drafted

    that LOB mentality

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    OP.

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    Comparing the S bag saga to the Davis situation and pretending they were similar and the only difference was front office competence or lackthereof, is absurd and revisionist history.

    Whether they waited too long to trade him or not, the same reasons that brought his value down existed months earlier too. The bottom line is, he screwed them.
    That’s tour point of view. I am not cutting the FO slack like they were some victims. Kawhi played them but they allowed themselves to be played and moreover I just don’t trust the trade they made was the best available for the future.

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    Pop shoulders some of the blame for this one: "I think the game plan I came out with was poor, and they took advantage of it in the first quarter." #Spurs

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    I legitimately think spurs have a shot at winning 2 games

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    That’s tour point of view. I am not cutting the FO slack like they were some victims. Kawhi played them but they allowed themselves to be played and moreover I just don’t trust the trade they made was the best available for the future.
    The co-most connected insider in the industry described the outcome as "no bidding war; this was the best offer on the table", meanwhile another among the most connected termed it a "discount price".

    You tell me how a should be top handful asset in the league going for that is not squarely on his shoulders.

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    No Orlando game thread? I’ve been pinked for some reason so I can’t start threads, but three minutes to game time and still nothin?

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