Popovich rips Trump over coronavirus response

[daslicer]

I couldn't agree with you more. I didn't vote in 2016 because I thought the choices were so bad. I realized later, even before Covid-19 entered the picture, that I had made a mistake and should have voted for Hillary over Trump. I am not a Biden fan by any means either but it is an easy choice for me to vote for him in November over another four years of this.

If you don’t live in a swing state I would say don’t beat yourself up about it. I didn’t like Hillary either and planned to write in Tim Duncan’s name for president. Changed my mind at the last minute knowing how close the election was going to be and also knowing my vote had huge impact since I live in a swing state. I voted for Hillary and felt like vomiting but looking back now I feel good about what I did. I don’t like Biden either but will also vote for him. Trump is just not qualified to run this country.

[baseline bum]

If you don’t live in a swing state I would say don’t beat yourself up about it. I didn’t like Hillary either and planned to write in Tim Duncan’s name for president. Changed my mind at the last minute knowing how close the election was going to be and also knowing my vote had huge impact since I live in a swing state. I voted for Hillary and felt like vomiting but looking back now I feel good about what I did. I don’t like Biden either but will also vote for him. Trump is just not qualified to run this country.

At least Biden is nowhere near as bad as Clinton. Though still very ty.

[daslicer]

Absolutely. I come from a very conservative Republican family. It doesn't bother me that they voted for Trump (and will again in November). I just don't get the unwavering loyalty to him. My extended family is very religious Southern Baptist. Yet they love this man who cheated on his wife with a porn star while his wife was pregnant and then payed hush money to keep her quiet and lies so much he wouldn't know the truth if it smacked him in the head. Thankfully, my wife and daughter see him for the asshat that he is so I'm not alone in all this.

They are loyal to Trump because they probably feel he's helping them to preserve the church and getting them one step closer to removing separation of church from state. I have seen a lot of evangelicals give him a pass simply because they feel the Dems are more of a threat to their base.

[ChumpDumper]

Remember when it was 9/11 every day when that scary negro was president?

Black President permanently broke the hamster wheels that ran 1/3 of the country's minds. Now they're blaming him for not making a vaccine for this coronavirus that didn't exist before last year.

[daslicer]

At least Biden is nowhere near as bad as Clinton. Though still very ty.

I have always considered myself a FDR New Deal type of Dem. For me the economic issues are the big thing and not the social issues. Bernie was the guy I was going for. I voted for Bernie but obviously it didn't work out. Biden is pretty ty I didn't feel he worked hard to win the nomination. He just rode off of Barack's coattails and a lot of people voted for him simply because of his association with Barack. He's probably the worst candidate the establishment picked to go up against Trump. It's clear he suffers from dementia.

[baseline bum]

I have always considered myself a FDR New Deal type of Dem. For me the economic issues are the big thing and not the social issues. Bernie was the guy I was going for. I voted for Bernie but obviously it didn't work out. Biden is pretty ty I didn't feel he worked hard to win the nomination. He just rode off of Barack's coattails and a lot of people voted for him simply because of his association with Barack. He's probably the worst candidate the establishment picked to go up against Trump. It's clear he suffers from dementia.

I was going for Warren until she pulled that poor woman iden y politics crap out of the Hillary Clinton playbook, probably thanks to her hiring staffers from Clinton's and Kamala Harris' campaigns. What a cluster and she's still bitter and accusing Sanders of saying she couldn't win because she's a woman. After that it was Bernie all the way and he's who I cast my primary vote for. While I mostly agree with Bernie's platform and agree he's the closest candidate to the FDR the corporate Democrats all pay lip service to while acting more like Reagan, the one thing that did give me pause was him saying corporations should be forced to be at least partly employee owned. That would be a huge overreach in the checks and balances of capital vs labor IMO, and I'd strongly prefer high labor union participation instead as a check against capital. But no candidate is going to be perfect obviously.

[daslicer]

I was going for Warren until she pulled that poor woman iden y politics crap out of the Hillary Clinton playbook, probably thanks to her hiring staffers from Clinton's and Kamala Harris' campaigns. What a cluster and she's still bitter and accusing Sanders of saying she couldn't win because she's a woman. While I mostly agree with Bernie's platform and agree he's the closest candidate to the FDR the corporate Democrats all pay lip service to while acting more like Reagan, the one thing that did give me pause was him saying corporations should be employee owned. That would be a huge overreach in the checks and balances of capital vs labor, and I'd strongly prefer high labor union participation instead. But no candidate is going to be perfect obviously.

Warren was originally my second choice after Bernie. I would have been happy with either of them up until like you said she played the woman iden y politics. Just like you that pissed me off. I understand you not agreeing with everything Bernie proposed but like you said no candidate is perfect. I just wanted a real progressive for once. The Dems since the 90's have transitioned to become a party that only differs from the republicans on social issues but tend to be the same on economic issues. If Biden wins watch him not undue the Trump tax cuts but the republicans will still howl that he's a communist/socialist.

[baseline bum]

Warren was originally my second choice after Bernie. I would have been happy with either of them up until like you said she played the woman iden y politics. Just like you that pissed me off. I understand you not agreeing with everything Bernie proposed but like you said no candidate is perfect. I just wanted a real progressive for once. The Dems since the 90's have transitioned to become a party that only differs from the republicans on social issues but tend to be the same on economic issues. If Biden wins watch him not undue the Trump tax cuts but the republicans will still howl that he's a communist/socialist.

If elected, he'll bring the top marginal rate up a few points and the GOP will say he's Stalin reincarnated while the DNC will say he's FDR reincarnated. But he would have at least followed Obama's pandemic playbook of ramping up testing and production of PPE instead of saying the pandemic was a Republican hoax and pretending it would never butt the US when it was crystal clear it was coming here and in a big way. And he'd pick way better Supreme Court justices than ing crying Kavanaugh. Not that that is saying much.

[daslicer]

If elected, he'll bring the top marginal rate up a few points and the GOP will say he's Stalin reincarnated while the DNC will say he's FDR reincarnated. But he would have at least followed Obama's pandemic playbook of ramping up testing and production of PPE instead of saying the pandemic was a Republican hoax and pretending it would never butt the US when it was crystal clear it was coming here and in a big way. And he'd pick way better Supreme Court justices than ing crying Kavanaugh. Not that that is saying much.

I agree. Dems are better at handling crisis and international affairs compared to republicans. Also like you said the ability to pick supreme court justices is a big deal. The taxes will be an interesting fight. at the FDR reincarnated line it reminds me of when the DNC said Barack was the Black FDR when in reality he was Black Clinton Lite.

[baseline bum]

I agree. Dems are better at handling crisis and international affairs compared to republicans.

Can't say I always agree, though I do agree with the statement when considering the current GOP. But I'll be forever grateful to George H.W. Bush for how he handled the fall of the Berlin Wall. A blowhard like Trump would be egging the Soviets on into a nuclear war but Bush knew Gorbachev was toeing a really tight line to keep from getting overthrown by hardliners in the Communist Party who would have started massacring East Germans rather than lose them to the West. Growing up, nuclear war always seemed like an inevitability with the Soviet Union but Gorbachev and Bush 41 saved us from it.

[BackHome]

You really think Biden can handle a crisis?

[ChumpDumper]

You really think Biden can handle a crisis?

Well, we know Trump can't.

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LMAO the Democrats are worse than 50,000 Americans dead in a month with many more to come to the Trump s. Just don't block the road in front of our hospitals like your head kin in Michigan did.

And here you are ignoring the point and arguing straw-men again.
1) What did I say: "are a much bigger danger to the Republic"
The CCP virus could kill 1,000,000 americans and it wouldn't endanger the Republic. The 1918 flu killed .5% of the US population, that would be 1.8 million given today's population (and it's deaths were mostly young adults), and it didn't kill the Republic. Get some historical perspective.
2)

Yeah, this is what bugs me about this whole thread... This boundless faith that somehow, Hillary Clinton (of all people) being in the oval office, would result in magical fixing of the things that have gone wrong.

I have yet to see an actual reasonable argument that having a Democrat in the White House would have had magically better results. Every time I ask for one, you guys just ignore the question; you don't have an argument to say that. This country is not South Korea, and no matter who was sitting in the Oval Office, we could not have done what they did. So we'd still be looking at 50000 dead Americans in a month. Or worse, there's a convincing argument that a democrat would have done worse. Finally, if you take NYC out of the picture ( run by Democrats for the last 15 to 20 years... just saying), they country looks pretty good for a major pandemic.

Some questions for you,
1) When was the last time a presidential candidate was forced out of a speaking engagement in a major city by threats of violence?
2) Did the mayor of the city or the governor of the state support the candidate speaking and pull out all the stops to keep order, or did they give in to the threats without trying to resist?
3) Which party was the presidential candidate from? Which party did the mayor and the governor belong to?
4) Is this a major violation of the cons utional rights of free speech and free assembly?
5) Has such a thing happened to a presidential candidate of the other party after 1900? Ever?

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Can't say I always agree, though I do agree with the statement when considering the current GOP. But I'll be forever grateful to George H.W. Bush for how he handled the fall of the Berlin Wall. A blowhard like Trump would be egging the Soviets on into a nuclear war but Bush knew Gorbachev was toeing a really tight line to keep from getting overthrown by hardliners in the Communist Party who would have started massacring East Germans rather than lose them to the West. Growing up, nuclear war always seemed like an inevitability with the Soviet Union but Gorbachev and Bush 41 saved us from it.

Yeah... that Reagan had absolutely nothing to do with that...

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If elected, he'll bring the top marginal rate up a few points and the GOP will say he's Stalin reincarnated while the DNC will say he's FDR reincarnated. But he would have at least followed Obama's pandemic playbook of ramping up testing and production of PPE instead of saying the pandemic was a Republican hoax and pretending it would never butt the US when it was crystal clear it was coming here and in a big way. And he'd pick way better Supreme Court justices than ing crying Kavanaugh. Not that that is saying much.

Obama's pandemic playbook.

The one where he emptied the national stockpile of N95 masks, and didn't replenish it before he left office (6 years later)...

The one where he waited until 1000 Americans were dead, and 2 months after WHO had declared a pandemic to declare a national emergency. Translating that to this plague, WHO declared a pandemic on March 11, so there would be no National emergency until May. No, we'll be generous and say he'd go for the 1000 Americans dead - which was March 26 in this case. Yep, the response would just be SO much better than the Trump administration putting together a task force in January...

[hombre]

You really think Biden can handle a crisis?

LOL, Biden was in charge of the H1N1 response.

And since all flus are the same to you guys -

Biden - H1N1 - 12,000 + deaths from 2009 - 2010

Pence - COVID19 - 52,400 deaths from early February 2020 - late April 2020

[ChumpDumper]

Obama's pandemic playbook.

The one where he emptied the national stockpile of N95 masks, and didn't replenish it before he left office (6 years later)...

The one where he waited until 1000 Americans were dead, and 2 months after WHO had declared a pandemic to declare a national emergency. Translating that to this plague, WHO declared a pandemic on March 11, so there would be no National emergency until May. No, we'll be generous and say he'd go for the 1000 Americans dead - which was March 26 in this case. Yep, the response would just be SO much better than the Trump administration putting together a task force in January...

Where do you get your talking points?

I'd rather just go straight to your source if that's OK.

[baseline bum]

Yeah... that Reagan had absolutely nothing to do with that...

Reagan didn't even know it happened.

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Where do you get your talking points?

I'd rather just go straight to your source if that's OK.

It's the chumpdumper dance: Refuse to debate the points and build a strawman... Useful only if a) you're too damn stupid to think and reply in an intelligent fashion, and b) you've got an unlimited time on your hands to repeat yourself, because you've not got enough imagination to think of something better to do.

[baseline bum]

Obama's pandemic playbook.

The one where he emptied the national stockpile of N95 masks, and didn't replenish it before he left office (6 years later)...

The one where he waited until 1000 Americans were dead, and 2 months after WHO had declared a pandemic to declare a national emergency. Translating that to this plague, WHO declared a pandemic on March 11, so there would be no National emergency until May. No, we'll be generous and say he'd go for the 1000 Americans dead - which was March 26 in this case. Yep, the response would just be SO much better than the Trump administration putting together a task force in January...

ing brilliant task force Trump had, sending PPE to China instead of producing and procuring it for the US in January like Obama's playbook instructed.

[baseline bum]

And here you are ignoring the point and arguing straw-men again.
1) What did I say: "are a much bigger danger to the Republic"
The CCP virus could kill 1,000,000 americans and it wouldn't endanger the Republic. The 1918 flu killed .5% of the US population, that would be 1.8 million given today's population (and it's deaths were mostly young adults), and it didn't kill the Republic. Get some historical perspective.

Even without the deaths, the pandemic is extremely destructive to the republic with the way it has destroyed small business and has sent us into an almost certain depression. Though calling the US a republic is generous after the Republican 5-4 vote on Citizens United was the last nail in the coffin enshrining us as an oligarchy. But guaranteed health insurance killed the republic. Just like Medicare and Social Security did. And fuel emissions standards. And DACA, though Reagan's amnesty didn't apparently.

2)
I have yet to see an actual reasonable argument that having a Democrat in the White House would have had magically better results. Every time I ask for one, you guys just ignore the question; you don't have an argument to say that. This country is not South Korea, and no matter who was sitting in the Oval Office, we could not have done what they did. So we'd still be looking at 50000 dead Americans in a month. Or worse, there's a convincing argument that a democrat would have done worse. Finally, if you take NYC out of the picture ( run by Democrats for the last 15 to 20 years... just saying), they country looks pretty good for a major pandemic.

Answered previously.

Some questions for you,
1) When was the last time a presidential candidate was forced out of a speaking engagement in a major city by threats of violence?
2) Did the mayor of the city or the governor of the state support the candidate speaking and pull out all the stops to keep order, or did they give in to the threats without trying to resist?
3) Which party was the presidential candidate from? Which party did the mayor and the governor belong to?
4) Is this a major violation of the cons utional rights of free speech and free assembly?
5) Has such a thing happened to a presidential candidate of the other party after 1900? Ever?

There is no defense for shutting down a political speech with threats of violence. What did you think of Trump talking about assassinating Hillary Clinton with second amendment remedies?

[ChumpDumper]

It's the chumpdumper dance: Refuse to debate the points and build a strawman... Useful only if a) you're too damn stupid to think and reply in an intelligent fashion, and b) you've got an unlimited time on your hands to repeat yourself, because you've not got enough imagination to think of something better to do.

No strawman, I really want to know where you got your talking points.

Your fever dreams about the death of the Republic are cute though. Are those your own?

[hombre]

Obama's pandemic playbook.

The one where he emptied the national stockpile of N95 masks, and didn't replenish it before he left office (6 years later)...

We lost the war because Obama did not leave us ammunition 3 years ago?

[baseline bum]

2)
I have yet to see an actual reasonable argument that having a Democrat in the White House would have had magically better results. Every time I ask for one, you guys just ignore the question; you don't have an argument to say that. This country is not South Korea, and no matter who was sitting in the Oval Office, we could not have done what they did. So we'd still be looking at 50000 dead Americans in a month. Or worse, there's a convincing argument that a democrat would have done worse. Finally, if you take NYC out of the picture ( run by Democrats for the last 15 to 20 years... just saying), they country looks pretty good for a major pandemic.

Also richest country in the world can't do early testing and contact tracing while pissants like South Korea and Taiwan can be right on top of it.

[hombre]

You really think Biden can handle a crisis?

LOL, Biden was in charge of the H1N1 response.

And since all flus are the same to you guys -

Biden - H1N1 - 12,000 + deaths from 2009 - 2010

Pence - COVID19 - 52,400 deaths from early February 2020 - late April 2020