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    Up to this point Belgium was going strong, 4 years earlier they defeated Argentina 1:0 in the opening game of EspaŮa 82.



    Never thought it would come the time when someone that didnít win something really outstanding, like Messi, would be considered better. Barcelona always has the best players in la liga and most of the time in Europe, they would have some silverware with or without Messi.

    Maradona played various good games at World Cups. Versus Hungary in 82, vs England and Germany in 86, vs Brazil and Italy in 90, that time playing with a bad ankle, like attacking midfield and not as forward.

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    GOAT doing GOAT things

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    Diego was great, tbh, but to be fair he was playing Belgium...

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    Up to this point Belgium was going strong, 4 years earlier they defeated Argentina 1:0 in the opening game of EspaŮa 82.



    Never thought it would come the time when someone that didnít win something really outstanding, like Messi, would be considered better. Barcelona always has the best players in la liga and most of the time in Europe, they would have some silverware with or without Messi.

    Maradona played various good games at World Cups. Versus Hungary in 82, vs England and Germany in 86, vs Brazil and Italy in 90, that time playing with a bad ankle, like attacking midfield and not as forward.
    Of course this wasn't really going to be a Maradona thread, but a Messi one.

    In what World is the CL not outstanding? I get the hystorical and nostalgic meaning of the WC but nowadays the CL is the real ultimate football trophy in terms of talent and level of difficulty. Most top clubs would beat the leaving out of most top NT teams.

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    Of course this wasn't really going to be a Maradona thread, but a Messi one.

    In what World is the CL not outstanding? I get the hystorical and nostalgic meaning of the WC but nowadays the CL is the real ultimate football trophy in terms of talent and level of difficulty. Most top clubs would beat the leaving out of most top NT teams.
    By that logic, Messi and Cristiano would find it much easier to shine on a mundial then, because of their individual quality and given that the teams they play aren't that good defending like in the Champions League.

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    By that logic, Messi and Cristiano would find it much easier to shine on a mundial then, because of their individual quality and given that the teams they play aren't that good defending like in the Champions League.
    The teams they play for are much worse too. Everything evens out for the worse.

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    Diego was great, tbh, but to be fair he was playing Belgium...
    I found another semi-final vs Italy, at Italy 90:



    Italy always field good NTís, at that time Serie A was the best league. Iím sure it wasnít easy to play Italy at home. Injured Maradona leading his team to the final.

    Before the game few gave Argentina any chance.

    Cani made a stupid hand ball at mid court in an insignificant play, which was his second yellow and suspension for the final. Who knows what would have happened otherwise.

    Maradona made most of his goals for the NT at mundiales and important official games. He assisted a lot too.

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    I found another semi-final vs Italy, at Italy 90:



    Italy always field good NT’s, at that time Serie A was the best league. I’m sure it wasn’t easy to play Italy at home. Injured Maradona leading his team to the final.

    Before the game few gave Argentina any chance.

    Cani made a stupid hand ball at mid court in an insignificant play, which was his second yellow and suspension for the final. Who knows what would have happened otherwise.

    Maradona made most of his goals for the NT at mundiales and important official games. He assisted a lot too.
    that team was horrible to watch, tbh... nothing like '86. But they managed to go all the way to the Final. Bilardo was a GOAT coach, tbh...

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    that team was horrible to watch, tbh... nothing like '86. But they managed to go all the way to the Final. Bilardo was a GOAT coach, tbh...
    Never saw such a bad team reach the finals. Maradona had a shot ankle. The only good thing was that Caniggia was the fastest player of all time, and very skilled too.

    For Mťxico Ď86, Argentina barely classified. There was some luck too with the opponents. Bilardo also made the team overachieve, but Diego was the best with quite some margin.

    Argentina took far better Brazil out, also favourites Italy, in Italy 90. In the final, that penalty that Germany won the championship with, didnít really exist. It seems that FIFA didnít want a penalty shootout and basically handed over the victory to Germany.

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    Never saw such a bad team reach the finals. Maradona had a shot ankle. The only good thing was that Caniggia was the fastest player of all time, and very skilled too.

    For Mťxico ‘86, Argentina barely classified. There was some luck too with the opponents. Bilardo also made the team overachieve, but Diego was the best with quite some margin.

    Argentina took far better Brazil out, also favourites Italy, in Italy 90. In the final, that penalty that Germany won the championship with, didn’t really exist. It seems that FIFA didn’t want a penalty shootout and basically handed over the victory to Germany.
    That 90's team was a defensive powerhouse, and extremely disciplined tactically. That's all it had going for it, the offense was basically Caniggia for the counter.

    IIRC, we won two rounds through penalty shootouts. It was really an ugly team to watch, tactical fouls all the time, etc. That match against Brazil, they hit the post like 3 times, and we attacked once the whole game and scored.

    It was a much different team from '86, tbh. The '86 team was not only tactically disciplined, it had a great midfield, and the left and right backs attacked a lot and very well. Sure, Diego was stellar, but the team overall had more of an offensive game.

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    How I wished Messi had a coach the caliber of Bilardo during his run. The closest he got was, Bilardo's understudy, Sabella and reached the WC final during a bad, injury ridden season.

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    Excuses excuses

    Messi is a certified choker and he is not a leader, accept it and move on

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