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    Bruh. To be fair you wrote an article on how he was a top player. So hes now only worth a second round pick even as you mentioned he’s putting up 20/5/5??

    If that’s true, and you were hoping and calling for keeping this together basically then it has to be retroactively considered one of the worst trades in nba history.

    SA got fleeced and the FO did a horrendous job with the Kawhi trade and taking that “win now package” over any team offering any first.

    If Derozan can’t net you a first now via trade then that says any first originally > Derozan value.

    Nobody wanted derozans deal tbh but to only net a 2nd!? Spurs failed on soo many levels here

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    But getting a 2nd rounder is better than nothing. They can still sign and trade and Knicks may not be the only team interested.

    But 2nd rounder > nothing. Especially since many of us saw the writing on the wall early regarding this teams REALISTIC shot at making playoffs. With the results at the deadline there was really no justification for making zero moves. If the reason you couldn’t do that is because no one wants the guys you handpicked? What does that tell you.

    But no harm no foul as long as they do what’s right this summer. I’ve given up hope that they can be creative and ahead of the curve by doing smart things and gathering picks for DDR and LMA (even if it means taking on a bad deal for a year or two.

    At this point I’m just hoping they no longer do catastrophically stupid things like pay Derozan, pay Forbes, sign meaningless vets to take minutes from youth.

    They need to take MAJOR reformative steps this summer and prove they are a competent FO still. The clock is ticking starting this Summer.

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    So the final net from Kwa to Toronto would be?:

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    So the final net from Kwa to Toronto would be?:

    Kj tbh and possibly poodle

    spurs need to deal lma this summer and begin the rebuild

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    So the final net from Kwa to Toronto would be?:
    The end of the Spurs. Funny how TOR is fine sans Kawhi but SA gets excuses.

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    Good riddance.

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    So the final net from Kwa to Toronto would be?:
    OWNERSHIP should act PUNITIVELY

    DEMAND poop bring in Atkinson as his replacement or Have Timmy Take the JOB, send the old man on his way

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    I wonder if Chinook will still spin this and say the Spurs should extend him
    Why does this need spin? I didn't see how this was reported, but it seems like DMDR wants a long-term deal, whether via an extension or a new deal this summer. On its face, it really doesn't seem like a threat or anything worth getting worked up about unless you were one of those folks who insisted that DMDR was opting in. I was pretty famously willing to let him walk before most folks in this thread were. I do support an extension that makes sense and have heard nothing to change that. I also support a S&T with a team like the Knicks. New York has overpaid guys, but they have them on expiring deals. That's a better use of salary than just having more room under the tax. If the team also loses LMA in the off-season, getting a PF or two from New York wouldn't be that bad.

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    If the Knicks sign him to a max.. I’m gonna consider it payback for the Marcus Morris/Bertans stuff

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    JeffDuncan - didn’t you say Derozan wasn’t giving up 27M and that SA was obligated to pay him no matter what

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    I’m sorry, but unless it’s to trade him there is absolutely Zero reason to give any more money to DDR. If he opted in, fine, can’t control that. But if he opts out you don’t even put an offer out (and from what I’ve gathered SA has little to no interest in that fwiw)

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    the bar is not high if your starters are Trey Lyles and Bryn Forbes. Literally anybody in the NBA is better than those 2
    Brandon Knight and John Henson wouldn't start on the Spurs, tbh.

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    Bruh. To be fair you wrote an article on how he was a top player. So hes now only worth a second round pick even as you mentioned heís putting up 20/5/5??

    If thatís true, and you were hoping and calling for keeping this together basically then it has to be retroactively considered one of the worst trades in nba history.

    SA got fleeced and the FO did a horrendous job with the Kawhi trade and taking that ďwin now packageĒ over any team offering any first.

    If Derozan canít net you a first now via trade then that says any first originally > Derozan value.
    There's so much fake news in those four paragraphs, I don't even know where to begin, tbh.

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    There's so much fake news in those four paragraphs, I don't even know where to begin, tbh.
    I have receipts lol.

    You did a big DDR write up. It was positive and argued he was a top player (even if flawed).

    If DDR couldn’t and can’t be moved for more than a 2nd? How is that not one of the worst trades?
    You said don’t blow it up and pursing 8th seed was the right move (it wasn’t and was obvious early).

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    But getting a 2nd rounder is better than nothing.
    Eh, it's about a wash. Especially when you factor in the flotsam the Spurs would've had to absorb to complete a trade.

    No one loses sleep about a missed second round pick

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    OWNERSHIP should act PUNITIVELY

    DEMAND poop bring in Atkinson as his replacement or Have Timmy Take the JOB, send the old man on his way
    Sniffers and Realists alike really needed that win last week.
    So I wanted to let time go by before commenting.
    Truth be told, Duncan did most of the same stupid Popped has been doing.

    Started Bryn Forms. That alone is automatic F. Well D-. Bryn Bryn did have one of his once every 10 games good shooting night.
    Had a midget on the floor at almost all times.
    Said most of the moves were made by the assistants. (May have been joking but sounded literal.)
    Played KJ (yah!) but as was noted, was this more because Beli was out? Given the rest of the games copycat approach of CIA Popped, would Tim have done as his master wanted and not played KJ?

    So while I would welcome Tim with open arms, truth is he has been mostly a Pop suck up this season too. Indeed any on the coaching staff who tolerated starting Bryn Bryn are guilty of complicity. If they spoke up (I believe none did) then good for them.

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    Bruh. To be fair you wrote an article on how he was a top player. So hes now only worth a second round pick even as you mentioned heís putting up 20/5/5??
    SniffVP

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    If DDR couldn’t and can’t be moved for more than a 2nd? How is that not one of the worst trades?
    You said don’t blow it up and pursing 8th seed was the right move (it wasn’t and was obvious early).
    It was always a terrible trade. I never said it wasn't a terrible trade. You don't trade Kawhi and it not be a terrible trade, bruh.

    I didn't say don't blow it up. I said don't blow it up just to blow it up. There's a difference. And I stand by that. I'd rather let DeRozan walk than to force a blow up that inevitably includes bad contracts coming back.

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    Why does this need spin? I didn't see how this was reported, but it seems like DMDR wants a long-term deal, whether via an extension or a new deal this summer. On its face, it really doesn't seem like a threat or anything worth getting worked up about unless you were one of those folks who insisted that DMDR was opting in. I was pretty famously willing to let him walk before most folks in this thread were. I do support an extension that makes sense and have heard nothing to change that. I also support a S&T with a team like the Knicks. New York has overpaid guys, but they have them on expiring deals. That's a better use of salary than just having more room under the tax. If the team also loses LMA in the off-season, getting a PF or two from New York wouldn't be that bad.
    Zero chance the Spurs and Knicks FOs even talk this offseason tbh.

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    Wasnít there a ton of smoke about the Kings offering the #2 overall at the time? Pretty disappointing if so considering Doncic was drafted at 3 and we supposedly love the Euros.
    Early on there was but I remember all that had died way down by the time the draft was near.

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    No good FA is going to the Spurs. Place is a joke with guys like Forbes and Belinelli starting over White (early season, not now bc Murray is hurt) and Walker.

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    I’m sorry, but unless it’s to trade him there is absolutely Zero reason to give any more money to DDR. If he opted in, fine, can’t control that. But if he opts out you don’t even put an offer out (and from what I’ve gathered SA has little to no interest in that fwiw)
    Knicks will max him tbh. It's the Knicks.

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    Eh, it's about a wash. Especially when you factor in the flotsam the Spurs would've had to absorb to complete a trade.

    No one loses sleep about a missed second round pick
    For sure. Like I said - it’s optimal GM’ing but it doesn’t “hurt” SA if they don’t. Hard to believe the Kawhi centerpiece and player they choose to build around has no value

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    For sure. Like I said - it’s optimal GM’ing but it doesn’t “hurt” SA if they don’t. Hard to believe the Kawhi centerpiece and player they choose to build around has no value
    Tbf, everyone knew it was a bad trade. It was just a matter of how bad it would ultimately be. Turned out to be really bad, tbh

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    Zero chance the Spurs and Knicks FOs even talk this offseason tbh.
    Yeah. I was more responding to the idea that there's something wrong with trading for "flotsam". A couple of years ago, the Knicks had a number of bad deals. Since the KP trade, they've had mostly short-term deals.

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