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    By that standard anyone who has tested positive for COVID will have it listed as their cause of death.
    And frankly, the standard has been shown to not even be that high.
    There are reasons why we do that, and it's because viral infections really weaken your immune system, and make you much more susceptible to a plethora of issues, like organ failure or sepsis.

    There's a good number of viruses where the same thing applies. Ebola, for example, causes liver and kidney malfunction, and most people die from low blood pressure from fluid loss (aka Hypovolemic shock).

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    There are reasons why we do that, and it's because viral infections really weaken your immune system, and make you much more susceptible to a plethora of issues, like organ failure or sepsis.
    If someone has a heart attack three months after influenza, the cause of death is heart attack and not influenza.

    Trying to justify changing the rules for your fake pandemic.

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    If someone has a heart attack three months after influenza, the cause of death is heart attack and not influenza.
    But we're not "3 months after" covid, so your point is moot

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    But we're not "3 months after" covid, so your point is moot
    Being a little too literal, bruh. Don't be desperate.
    I did see one fatality two plus months after COVID. Just rounded up.

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    Being a little too literal, bruh. Don't be desperate.
    I did see one fatality two plus months after COVID. Just rounded up.
    It's not me being defensive, it's you coming up with excuse after excuse.

    We have states with huge es of corona followed by a huge e of hospitalizations, and it's not corona? what is it? herpes?

    How much in denial can you really be. What's next? Those people were going to be hospitalized anyways at some point?

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    Texas likely has about double the Covid deaths than reported.



    And no, people dying of heart attacks, strokes, and other such emergencies because they feared going to the hospital wouldn't explain the difference.

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    Texas likely has about double the Covid deaths than reported.

    And no, people dying of heart attacks, strokes, and other such emergencies because they feared going to the hospital wouldn't explain the difference.
    'Broken heart syndrome' has increased during the Covid-19 pandemic

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/09/healt...ess/index.html

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    It will get bad for a while and then get better. It has to infect a certain percentage before it dies out.
    The frustrating thing here is that it doesn't have to get "that bad." We know a lot more than we did 4 months ago, when people feared community spread via surfaces and such, which lead to all non-essential business closures. The primary vectors now seem to be relatively large indoor gatherings, bars, churches, indoor dining, public transport, probably casinos, and anything else that will cause people to crowd indoor spaces. We have to shut all that down and just take the economic hit on the chin, but this still means more businesses will be allowed to operate than in the initial stages of the pandemic. Rudy's Hobby Shop or whatever is probably a very small risk of being a vector. Outdoor spaces are rather safe, so no closing of parks and beaches (problem with beaches isn't transmission on the beach, but the beach goers filling bars and restaurants afterwards. Bars and restaurants won't be open, so that won't be an issue) like before. And then, we all need to mask up.

    But nope. FREEDUMBS! I ain't wearing no mask! I got the right to crowd a church and worship the Jeebus (why the can't churches just shift service outdoors into their parking lots or something?). I got the right to throw the babyshower with 50 of my kin to celebrate the little blessing. And so it goes.

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    So diabetes should not be listed as cause of death when diabetes causes kidney failure and fatal CVD?

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    COVID-19 is Surging in Rural Texas, Threatening to Overwhelm Local Hospitals

    ICU beds are limited,

    medical providers are falling sick, and

    urban hospitals where small facilities transfer critical patients are running out of space.


    https://www.texasobserver.org/covid-19-rural-hospitals-texas/?utm_source=mc&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign= july_11_2020&goal=0_975e2d1fa1-ae56b247ea-34733575&mc_cid=ae56b247ea&mc_eid=b9077e7e26

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    Texas likely has about double the Covid deaths than reported.



    And no, people dying of heart attacks, strokes, and other such emergencies because they feared going to the hospital wouldn't explain the difference.
    Excess deaths are calculated by subtracting the expected number of deaths from the observed number of deaths.
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/potent...ess_deaths.htm

    So that red line is not actual deaths, it's how much their projection was off.

    And the gray line actually shows that deaths have been right in line with past years, really. No e in overall deaths.

    Realistically, this chart is meant to confuse the layman who doesn't really know what the he is looking at.
    The layman is supposed to see the red line as a e in deaths (even though it's not) and the COVID line as being the primary pusher of this fake e.
    If this showed actual deaths only and what percent were COVID, what it would show is the roughly the same # of deaths. Yet despite all these deaths being COVID, no e in actual deaths.

    COVID BOOGEYMAN


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    Last edited by Spurtacular; 07-11-2020 at 09:20 AM.

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    Excess deaths are calculated by subtracting the expected number of deaths from the observed number of deaths.
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/potent...ess_deaths.htm

    So that red line is not actual deaths, it's how much their projection was off.

    And the gray line actually shows that deaths have been right in line with past years, really. No e in overall deaths.

    Realistically, this chart is meant to confuse the layman who doesn't really know what the he is looking at.
    The layman is supposed to see the red line as a e in deaths (even though it's not) and the COVID line as being the primary pusher of this fake e.
    If this showed actual deaths only and what percent were COVID, what it would show is the roughly the same # of deaths. Yet despite all these deaths being COVID, no e in actual deaths.

    COVID BOOGEYMAN


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    Uhhhh...I think you are badly misinterpreting that chart.

    Oops, reply was meant for Spurt.

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    So diabetes should not be listed as cause of death when diabetes causes kidney failure and fatal CVD?
    These small Texas towns were not wearing masks indoors in the most obvious places that you would want to wear a mask. They were asking for it.

    So Your question gets even larger. Would you want a relative living in one of these towns who really does have renal failure going to one of these crowded hospitals right now? What kind of care do they get? Before this, attention was all on them because they were the only game in town. NOW, no fckn way.

    Health care in general goes down the tubes when these little places cant handle the load and that is happening. They are not near as diverse as the large hospitals in Metropolitan areas. They are built for small numbers of cases at a time. Just send them up to San Antonio right now. Excellent.

    Also the bills after all this with all the people who are not even insured. But, but... orange man had, had, ... ZERO plan. He lied.

    Its all just fake.
    And it will eventually just go away...
    Some of us will have our coffee as usual in the morning, its all good.

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    Uhhhh...I think you are badly misinterpreting that chart.

    Oops, reply was meant for Spurt.
    What part don't you understand?

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    Excess deaths are calculated by subtracting the expected number of deaths from the observed number of deaths.
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/potent...ess_deaths.htm

    So that red line is not actual deaths, it's how much their projection was off.

    And the gray line actually shows that deaths have been right in line with past years, really. No e in overall deaths.

    Realistically, this chart is meant to confuse the layman who doesn't really know what the he is looking at.
    The layman is supposed to see the red line as a e in deaths (even though it's not) and the COVID line as being the primary pusher of this fake e.
    If this showed actual deaths only and what percent were COVID, what it would show is the roughly the same # of deaths. Yet despite all these deaths being COVID, no e in actual deaths.

    COVID BOOGEYMAN


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    Texas likely has about double the Covid deaths than reported.
    Just noticed this.

    Apparently, you're the layman they're trying to fool. The red line is not an actual deaths line.
    You did see it as a e in deaths (which it's not) and figured they just weren't counting enough deaths as COVID.

    Again, if they used actual deaths only and not some misleading advanced stats, what would be shown is no e in overall deaths despite these COVID deaths.
    Obviously, that would never do. The layman can tell himself that something is fishy with that reality.
    So, you've been shown first hand that you're being purposely tricked; yet you're going to keep going as strong as ever, aren't you?

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    Yea, "raindrops".

    Today's sperm shield.

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    Just noticed this.

    Apparently, you're the layman they're trying to fool. The red line is not an actual deaths line.
    You did see it as a e in deaths (which it's not) and figured they just weren't counting enough deaths as COVID.

    Again, if they used actual deaths only and not some misleading advanced stats, what would be shown is no e in overall deaths despite these COVID deaths.
    Obviously, that would never do. The layman can tell himself that something is fishy with that reality.
    So, you've been shown first hand that you're being purposely tricked; yet you're going to keep going as strong as ever, aren't you?

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    The you on about.

    It's simple. In any given year, there's an expected amount of deaths from all causes. The gray line represents the average of how many excess (or below average) deaths there were between 2017-2019. Deaths attributed as Covid have been responsible for 2000 more deaths than is typical. ALL EXCESS DEATHS are 6000 over the baseline. "Confirmed" Covid is responsible for 2000 of those excess deaths, so what's been responsible for those 4000 additional excess deaths? Perhaps a few came from people delaying treatment for strokes and heart attacks, but more than likely, it's from Covid.

    Why do I think only a small portion of those excess deaths are not Covid related? Because that's what this study found.



    Anyhow, I think I know why you're so resistant to all of this.

    Lower cognitive ability linked to non-compliance with social distancing guidelines during the coronavirus outbreak
    https://www.psypost.org/2020/07/covi...outbreak-57293

    Your inability to understand a very simple graph illustrates this study.
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    And the gray line actually shows that deaths have been right in line with past years, really. No e in overall deaths.
    The gray line is the AVERAGE NUMBER OF EXCESS DEATHS THAT OCCURRED FROM 2017-2019.

    No, those lines aren't "projections." They're the actuals. Covid deaths and excess deaths.

    Again:

    Lower cognitive ability linked to non-compliance with social distancing guidelines during the coronavirus outbreak

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    Derp not smart. Derp can't read. Derp really needs internet W's. Derp will literally say anything.

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    Derp not smart. Derp can't read. Derp really needs internet W's. Derp will literally say anything.
    Lol. He didn't read the chart legend, and thought the gray line was the actual number of deaths over that time period and the Covid and excess death lines were "projections."

    I await his re ed spin.

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    Lol. He didn't read the chart legend, and thought the gray line was the actual number of deaths over that time period and the Covid and excess death lines were "projections."

    I await his re ed spin.
    When I read his posts I usually find myself asking if the dumbass actually reads anything he quotes. Sometimes I wonder if he's reading what he types. Half the time it makes no damn sense.

    This forum destroyed his psyche after the Jimmer thread. There was once a time when he was just a guy with bad basketball takes. Now he's just a relentless, psychotic, ankle biting, knuckle-dragging troll. Quite sad, tbh.

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    When I read his posts I usually find myself asking if the dumbass actually reads anything he quotes. Sometimes I wonder if he's reading what he types. Half the time it makes no damn sense.

    This forum destroyed his psyche after the Jimmer thread. There was once a time when he was just a guy with bad basketball takes. Now he's just a relentless, psychotic, ankle biting, knuckle-dragging troll. Quite sad, tbh.
    I await some screed of how I don't understand it, yada, yada, yada. Not going to bang my head trying to explain it to him, either.

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    The gray line is the AVERAGE NUMBER OF EXCESS DEATHS THAT OCCURRED FROM 2017-2019.

    No, those lines aren't "projections." They're the actuals. Covid deaths and excess deaths.

    Again:
    It includes 2020, numb nuts.

    And you don't understand what an excess deaths are not "actuals".
    I just done told you, son:
    Excess deaths are calculated by subtracting the expected number of deaths from the observed number of deaths.

    And you have the nerve to be calling me out on "lower cognitive ability" after you just fell for the trick:

    Really covid deaths are probably double. They should be up to the red line [not an "actual" death count]

    Dat DKE

    Dunning-Kruger Effect is a cognitive bias whereby people who are incompetent at something are unable to recognize their own incompetence.

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    derp kook effect


    Take a deep breath and look at it again.

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