"you're planning to force people back into work"
that's the Repug tactic.
stay jobless until your ty UI benefits run out and live on the streets,
or go back to work to risk your and your family's / friends' health where your employers will not be liable for your on-the-job health
cut payroll taxes helps no employee (payroll tax in your pocket on hourly of less than $15/hour? LOL),
and is meant to defund SS to death, kill govt retirement fund, and force $Ts into BigFinance's "retirement" funds which will be depleted by secret, unchallengeable "fees" of $Ts
The liability issue IS a reasonable concern. Society still needs to function as best we can through this pandemic. Having Thomas J Henry suing HEB for selling groceries so millions of people can eat doesn't solve anything except driving up the cost of groceries and making TJ Henry richer than he already is.
Now we have StAte suing a city in Georgia.
this is part of the reason for having a federal government that functions during disasters.
The federal government unifies a coordinated response for states in very different cir stances. We have no leader ship at the federal level, this is what we get.
A consistent, truthful, introspective message to the entire country concerning planning and how the plans might have to change based on cir stances. It’s clearly written out in the CDC handbook for JUST this purpose. But Donald decides he wants to play by his own rules and his own rules in this case were to try to beat a virus in down using familiar tactics that don’t work by nature’s rules. And then the second stage was to give up and blame it on everybody else.
The United states my ass.
No unifying messages because that does not serve his purposes.
instead he becomes more twisted and intransigent.
get this fcker out.
R team, get a new candidate to beat Biden.
Oh great, now NISD teachers say they won’t go back.
what a surprise. R team congressmen, governors, mayors, local officials will have to be concerned with the reelection of Trump while battling how to Deal with a natural disaster and the economy because there are no guidelines.
how to deal with the virus
pretend it’s not a problem
it is a problem, what do we do now?
it’s only a problem because the economy has been affected
let’s get this economy up and working, no one will notice if they are working,
we can’t stop this thing
oh , civilians care about getting real sick and or dying... don’t they understand this is a war and there must be sacrifices?
take control of the information so that they don’t care
story to be continued
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Trump threatens to veto any COVID-19 bill that doesn’t cut Social Security
advocacy groups urged Congress to “call Trump’s bluff”
and pass a stimulus bill free of any stealth attacks on the New Deal program.
“Cutting Social Security contributions advances a longstanding right-wing ideological goal:
Weakening our Social Security system,”
“Congress must not give into Trump’s hostage-taking.”
“Payroll contributions are Social Security and Medicare’s dedicated funding.
A ‘payroll tax cut’ is a Trojan Horse for cutting earned benefits.”
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/con..._campaign=4988
Last edited by boutons_deux; 07-17-2020 at 07:57 AM.
@ how Boutons pretends there is a social security trust fund.
You said that, I didn't.
You think that US govt will default on its obligations to the SS trust fund, and default on its obligations to SS retirees.
Those two defaults are equivalent to US govt default on Treasury bonds.
No I don't think the US government will default on it's obligations to SS retirees.
That's why your whining over a proposal for a temporary cut in SS payroll tax is so stupid.
The "SS payroll tax" goes straight into the general fund and gets spent.
Cutting SS for any length of time is depleting
SS contributions get spent in the general fund?
so ing what with your fear-mongering?
As long as SS retirees get paid, your "SS-to-general fund spent" is total bull .
No, your whining about a temporary tax cut during a pandemic caused recession to help keep the economy from crashing is bull . Considering how regressive payroll taxes are I would thing a socialist like you would support it.
Free enterprise proponents: No need for state regulations, the tort system keeps businesses honest.
Also free enterprise proponents: businesses must be shielded from economy killing lawsuits!
Like most complicated issues the issue is not always either black or white. Automatically assigning fault to an employer for an employee's covid sickness when the average employee spends at least 2/3 of their time not at work is pretty arbitrary.
Go talk to a meat packer, could be illness and injury are mainly related to unsafe working conditions.
Why do you want to deprive workers of legal recourse for injuries suffered in unsafe -- sometimes negligently unsafe -- workplaces?
(in b4 CC blames it on the "culture")
Working in a meat plant is voluntary. Is it more dangerous than some other jobs? Yes.
How exactly do you make any work place 100% safe from a covid infection, especially when we are finding out it can be spread by aerosol from non symptomatic people.?
You didn't answer my question. Why is the solution to protect employers and leave workers bootless?
What does that even mean? If TJ wanted to sue HEB, he would've already done so, and he still would actually need to win that case.
It's ridiculous we need to trounce due process rights because of potential lawsuits. Everybody is en led to their day in court (if you can afford it).
1t's a great system if you have the money to fight
McConnell has ‘given up’ on Trump’s re-election and
is making plans to handcuff Biden
Donald Trump and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell both know that
the economy is headed for another collapse due to the coronavirus pandemic
unless Congress comes up with another stimulus package — and
yet they seem in no hurry to avert the fall.
they face an electoral catastrophe that might be mitigated by easing America’s economic pain,”
the president is hampered by his “combination of ignorance and his own peculiar personality flaws,” and
“simply doesn’t understand what the country needs.”
“He [McConnell] has already given up on the idea of Trump being reelected,
the Kentucky Republican would rather the economy continue to flounder about under the current president and
let former Vice President Joe Biden inherit a mess —
then blame him if he doesn’t clean it up quickly.
“McConnell knows what’s happening. ...
there is simply no way the economy is going to come roaring back before November,”
“From where he [McConnell] sits,
the best outcome now may be to use the next stimulus package to win some minor ideological victories, but
not allow it to be substantial enough to set the stage for a genuine recovery,”
in 2021, the situation will be no less dire than it is now — and maybe more so.
And the worse things are in the country at that point,
the better it is for Republicans.
Just as they did when Barack Obama was president,
they can blame Democrats for their own mistakes,
then force austerity measures that
sabotage the economy and slow the recovery.”
only someone who was singularly “amoral” would be willing
to allow the continuing destruction of the country to advance his personal agenda
“In other words, you’d have to be Mitch McConnell.”
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/mcconnell-has-given-up-on-trumps-re-election-and-is-making-plans-to-handcuff-biden-columnist
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How Trump and McConnell are prolonging our economic nightmare
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/mcconnell-has-given-up-on-trumps-re-election-and-is-making-plans-to-handcuff-biden-columnist
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McConnell and similar assholes (simpson - bowles, etc) slowed the recovery under Obama, blamed Obama.
Repugs will repeat under Biden to win Congress back in 2024.
Last edited by boutons_deux; 07-17-2020 at 08:05 PM.
What happens if a worker tries to call in sick, but the employer tells them "show up or your fired" if that person shows up and infects people, should the employer be liable? According to what the Republicans want the answer is no
That's a ing stupid question. No employer wants a sick employee infecting others. Personally, if anyone calls in sick I tell them to go get tested and dont come back until they have a clean test.
clearly you've never worked retail. That's not a stupid question it happens quite frequently
Predatory lenders got billions out of COVID-19 small business loan program
Predatory lenders set their sights on the Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) in the coronavirus relief CARES Act—
money intended to go to small businesses to prevent their having to lay off workers—
and cashed in, netting anywhere from $9 billion to $23 billion.
35 companies that provide payday loans—
the loans taken out against car les and other high-interest, low-dollar borrowing options—
got the money after lobbying Congress and filing lawsuits to get their hands on the money.
"Taxpayer money should not go to payday lenders who rip off working families and trap consumers in cycles of debt."
"It should go without saying, predatory lenders who charge working Americans up to 400% for payday loans should not be given taxpayer grants or near zero interest loans,"
Too many legitimate small businesses,
run by women and by people of color particularly,
have been shut out of the process.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/1961540
Food service too
I'm pretty confident I have had tier jobs than any of you because I wanted to work and make money.
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