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    The economy has lost like a quarter GDP, tens of millions of people are unemployed, people aren't spending. This is to prevent austerity. Do you know what that means?
    trickle up, demand-side economics

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    Based on their 2019 tax return? :LOL

    A couple making 150K gets a $4000 check even if they are making 150K again in 2020. That's not means testing, thats vote buying.
    voters do overwhelmingly support it. Tocqueville quotes aside the cares act did help the economy significantly when it looked like we were headed towards another great depression.

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    which tax return would you prefer they use?
    He doesn't care.

    Not when the 2017 tax cuts passed, not when the money bazooka got loaded last spiring for the PPP and trillions to back up the Fed lending facilities. CC expressed zero qualms about undeserving recipients then.

    Ergo, he's not operating in good faith now.

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    voters do overwhelmingly support it. Tocqueville quotes aside the cares act did help the economy significantly when it looked like we were headed towards another great depression.
    Why would they not want a "free" check from the government? I get that. Im just saying the money should be more directly targeted towards those actually hurt by the pandemic. More money to those that don't need it isn't going to change covid habits. Personally, we used to eat out at nice restaurants at least six nights a week. With covid? We are having groceries delivered and eating at home. Chicken and dumplins tonight and marinating 4lb of sirloin tips for anticuchos this weekend. A "free" check isn't gonna put my happy ass in a bar or restaurant.

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    Why would they not want a "free" check from the government? I get that. Im just saying the money should be more directly targeted towards those actually hurt by the pandemic. More money to those that don't need it isn't going to change covid habits. Personally, we used to eat out at nice restaurants at least six nights a week. With covid? We are having groceries delivered and eating at home. Chicken and dumplins tonight and marinating 4lb of sirloin tips for anticuchos this weekend. A "free" check isn't gonna put my happy ass in a bar or restaurant.
    I believe in universal basic income so I just don't agree with you fundamentally man.

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    He doesn't care.

    Not when the 2017 tax cuts passed, not when the money bazooka got loaded last spiring for the PPP and trillions to back up the Fed lending facilities. CC expressed zero qualms about undeserving recipients then.

    Ergo, he's not operating in good faith now.
    I get it. You want your check.

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    I get it. You want your check.
    And you don't want anybody to get it, that much is clear.

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    I get it. You want your free check.

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    And you don't want anybody to get it, that much is clear.
    I want the people that have been hurt by the covid pandemic to be made 100% whole until we get it under control.

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    I get it. You want your free check.
    No, you're missing the point.

    I didn't take the check last Spring. I'm lucky enough not to need it now.

    It isn't about you and me. It's about a society and a real economy that is coming apart at the seams, and trying to limit the damage. To that end it doesn really matter if people who don't really need it get some extra scratch.

    Single earners making 75,000+ won't get it, the cutoff for double income households is 150,000. Where would you draw the line?

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    I want the people that have been hurt by the covid pandemic to be made 100% whole until we get it under control.
    100%?

    How do you propose we do that?

    A one time $2000 check won't cut it.

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    To me the goal should be helping out those in need and stimulating the economy. The means testing does leave out some people that need help this year because of various bureaucratic issues and giving the check to everyone helps the economy more.

    To me the best answer is obvious.

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    I get it. You want your free check.
    Would it be better if they got free golf carts?

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    I want the people that have been hurt by the covid pandemic to be made 100% whole until we get it under control.
    Well?

    What's your proposal to make everyone who has been hurt by COVID-19 to be made 100% whole, until we get it under control?

    This should be a good one.

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    I get it. You want your free check.
    Just a guess, you’d prefer another tax cut for corporations and rich people so the wealth can trickle down?

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    Let's be honest. If millions of people can't feed their families, you will see rioting for real.
    This is already the case.

    If we were frenchmen, we'd already have burnt down Parliament.

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    Well?

    What's your proposal to make everyone who has been hurt by COVID-19 to be made 100% whole, until we get it under control?

    This should be a good one.
    Give rich people a tax holiday so they have more wealth that can trickle down and make those who are struggling whole!

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    Well?

    What's your proposal to make everyone who has been hurt by COVID-19 to be made 100% whole, until we get it under control?

    This should be a good one.
    according to some, the trick to overcome poverty is to "get a better job" rofl

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    Just a guess, you’d prefer another tax cut for corporations and rich people so the wealth can trickle down?
    option a: more money to corporations hoping that the money will eventually reach the working class

    option b: just give the money to the working class

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    Just a guess, you’d prefer another tax cut for corporations and rich people so the wealth can trickle down?
    or maybe creating some loophole where one of the richest men on earth is able to actually collect millions of dollars of tax money in behalf of the IRS while not owing a dime

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    according to some, the trick to overcome poverty is to "get a better job" rofl

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    fake news to some tbh lol

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    I like how conservatives insist on a meticulous approach to stimulus relief targeted at the middle class and are quick to find a flaw, but they’re all for a broad sweeping tax cut for people who don’t need it at all that adds trillions of dollars to the National debt.

    They have zero moral high ground on fiscal responsibility after the sandwich that was Trump’s 2017 tax bill.

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