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    Tell us more about the lockdown science. Lol you
    Dont use the word science, batter for brains.
    You dont have a clue.

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    Dont use the word science, batter for brains.
    You dont have a clue.
    You still stroking your e-peen and self validating your takes while slinging juvenile insults at others like a monkey slinging ?

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    Tell us more about the lockdown science. Lol you
    If you don't have an alternative number then any number suggested by a source must by default be true.

    So my number is 400 billion people have died. if that seems unlikely, then you must have the actual number. Clock is ticking.

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    Dont use the word science, batter for brains.
    You dont have a clue.
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    If you don't have an alternative number then any number suggested by a source must by default be true.

    So my number is 400 billion people have died. if that seems unlikely, then you must have the actual number. Clock is ticking.
    Nope. Just say you don't have a number. I don't know why you always have to melt down when you can't be honest.

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    Nope. Just say you don't have a number. I don't know why you always have to melt down when you can't be honest.
    Minnesota going to get it bad now, or do you have excuses?

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    Lol not even legit numbers how dumb.
    Why are the current counts not valid?

    Haven't seen you actually justify that claim yet. Thumbed through a few pages, and didn't see any links to anything that resembles evidence.

    Please. A link?

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    You still stroking your e-peen and self validating your takes while slinging juvenile insults at others like a monkey slinging ?
    Says the guy who sells INSTRUMENTS of science and uses me to validate that other posters are wrong? Why would you do that, I know nothing...?
    You asked for it old man.
    If you need to continue the last discussion I can make you look worse.
    And looks are everything for you on this board.

    If you remember, it started with me saying the virus looks like a really good target for a vaccine from a molecular point of view and giving an article.
    You REALLY want to keep discussing that? Or you want to get pounded while you have a window open so you can read about ELISA?
    Be careful, you dont like getting embarrassed.

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    Tell us about models again.
    That was fun.

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    Why are the current counts not valid?

    Haven't seen you actually justify that claim yet. Thumbed through a few pages, and didn't see any links to anything that resembles evidence.

    Please. A link?
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar..._inflated.html

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    What a load of right-wing horse . Yeah it's a bunch of suicides and car wrecks getting blamed on COVID and this is just really the flu like Trump said.

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    Says the guy who sells INSTRUMENTS of science and uses me to validate that other posters are wrong? Why would you do that, I know nothing...?
    You asked for it old man.
    If you need to continue the last discussion I can make you look worse.
    And looks are everything for you on this board.

    If you remember, it started with me saying the virus looks like a really good target for a vaccine from a molecular point of view and giving an article.
    You REALLY want to keep discussing that? Or you want to get pounded while you have a window open so you can read about ELISA?
    Be careful, you dont like getting embarrassed.
    you keep spinning the wheel of guesses and coming up empty. I don't sell anything.
    I haven't read a single thing about ELISA since you started yapping, except that you said you developed it.
    You suck at this.

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    What a load of right-wing horse . Yeah it's a bunch of suicides and car wrecks getting blamed on COVID and this is just really the flu like Trump said.
    Dying with covid-19 <> dying from covid-19

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    Dying with covid-19 <> dying from covid-19
    So in a typical 2 month timespan in the US 6,000 people die in car wrecks. How many people died in car wrecks in the two months and were called COVID deaths? About 8,000 Americans kill themselves every two months. How many of those suicides were marked COVID deaths? Let's say they all were. So 84,000 real COVID deaths in two months makes it the flu?

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    So in a typical 2 month timespan in the US 6,000 people die in car wrecks. How many people died in car wrecks in the two months and were called COVID deaths? About 8,000 Americans kill themselves every two months. How many of those suicides were marked COVID deaths? Let's say they all were. So 84,000 real COVID deaths in two months makes it the flu?
    and thats with the extreme step of shutting down most businesses, social distancing, etc, something we dont do for the flu

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    Thank you.

    So, some internet commentary that got the mortality rate wrong from their source material, with no supporting science that quantifies their assertions to any reasonable degree. Anything else?

    We already knew the death rate was in the magnitude of .0066, which is pretty close to the .007 (rouding maybe)what the WHO estimated for western countries.

    The "best guess" for the source article puts it at .004, with a 3.4% hospitalization ratio.

    300000/3.4= 8,823,529 people can have the disease in the US as confirmed cases before all hospital beds are filled nationally.

    We are at about 1.6M I think. (1.7 minus 100k recovered). so we are still ok as far as healthcare capacity.

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    Dying with covid-19 <> dying from covid-19
    The problem with that though... is how do you explain the sudden e in total dealths? the "excess" deaths.

    Your implication here that unrelated deaths implies that there is some causation was assumed where there was merely correlation.

    Death rates are remarkably constant over long periods.

    If for the last 10 years, average monthly deaths for March, April, and May, all fall within a pretty narrow band, and you suddenly have a huge e during a pandemic, with no other discernible causes, is it not logical to assume causation?

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    Thank you.

    So, some internet commentary that got the mortality rate wrong from their source material, with no supporting science that quantifies their assertions to any reasonable degree. Anything else?

    We already knew the death rate was in the magnitude of .0066, which is pretty close to the .007 (rouding maybe)what the WHO estimated for western countries.

    The "best guess" for the source article puts it at .004, with a 3.4% hospitalization ratio.

    300000/3.4= 8,823,529 people can have the disease in the US as confirmed cases before all hospital beds are filled nationally.

    We are at about 1.6M I think. (1.7 minus 100k recovered). so we are still ok as far as healthcare capacity.
    Its less that .03 but keep going. You dont understand the data. The whole month has been decline in fatality and hospitalization percent. State reporting and cdc all fatalities data sets. Youve been duped. Admit it.

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    2020 US fatality rate should be 8.8 per 1,000 people.

    https://knoema.com/atlas/United-Stat...ica/Death-rate

    .0088 for the year, by the end of the year.

    2904000 dead from all causes, before COVID.

    200-300k by the end of the year on top of that assuming current stats are accurate and model average hits. Split difference. 250k

    +250k.... divide by 330M...

    End of year figure will be around .0096

    There is your testable hypothesis. Substantially less than that, your "correlation" theory of how we are counting predicted it.

    At about that rate or above, you have been deeply mislead by the propaganda you consume.

    It is just that simple.

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    Its less that .03 but keep going. You dont understand the data. The whole month has been decline in fatality and hospitalization percent. State reporting and cdc all fatalities data sets. Youve been duped. Admit it.
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...scenarios.html

    CDC best guess is 3.4%

    I will assume they are roughly correct, unless you have better information.

    (edit) Feel free to provide better data. I work in insurance and am very good with statistics, with access to actuaries who have specialized degrees and multiple levels of professional certification in it. I ask them questions if I need to understand anything involving the math. It is a mistake on your part, generally, to assume I do not understand any given math.

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    2020 US fatality rate should be 8.8 per 1,000 people.

    https://knoema.com/atlas/United-Stat...ica/Death-rate

    .0088 for the year, by the end of the year.

    2904000 dead from all causes, before COVID.

    200-300k by the end of the year on top of that assuming current stats are accurate and model average hits. Split difference. 250k

    +250k.... divide by 330M...

    End of year figure will be around .0096

    There is your testable hypothesis. Substantially less than that, your "correlation" theory of how we are counting predicted it.

    At about that rate or above, you have been deeply mislead by the propaganda you consume.

    It is just that simple.
    Wrong

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    (shrugs)

    if so, then show how.

    Or wave your hands some more, and stomp your feet. That will really show me. Change the subject when confronted is always a winning strategy. You know you want to. Go on, Conservative Avenger.

    (folds arms, leans on wall with expectant look)

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    (shrugs)

    if so, then show how.

    Or wave your hands some more, and stomp your feet. That will really show me. Change the subject when confronted is always a winning strategy. You know you want to. Go on, Conservative Avenger.

    (folds arms, leans on wall with expectant look)
    Its under .03.

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    Hand-waving. If you could reasonably justify it, you would have.

    Kid, I've been debating on the internet since there has been an internet. You are nothing new.

    People like you hop yourself up, mainlining conservative propaganda that tells you over and over how dumb liberals are, and how smart you and your ideology is.

    You get super high on this bull bong, then come in here thinking you are Billy Bad Ass, the Conservative Avenger.

    Then you meet an actual liberal or two who isn't an idiot. The very first time you have to prove yourself against a skilled opponent, you fail spectacularly.

    You fail by making assertions without providing proof.

    You fail by not answering questions honestly.

    You fail by simply waving away arguments and deflecting.

    These are reasoning failures. You do this here repeatedly.

    You are the poster children for the Dunning-Kruger effect. You have vastly overestimated your abilities relative to mine, and you know it even if you aren't aware of it.

    It's ok. I dont expect much from an ideology that punishes critical thinking. I hope someday you de-program yourself, really I do.

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    Hand-waving. If you could reasonably justify it, you would have.

    Kid, I've been debating on the internet since there has been an internet. You are nothing new.

    People like you hop yourself up, mainlining conservative propaganda that tells you over and over how dumb liberals are, and how smart you and your ideology is.

    You get super high on this bull bong, then come in here thinking you are Billy Bad Ass, the Conservative Avenger.

    Then you meet an actual liberal or two who isn't an idiot. The very first time you have to prove yourself against a skilled opponent, you fail spectacularly.

    You fail by making assertions without providing proof.

    You fail by not answering questions honestly.

    You fail by simply waving away arguments and deflecting.

    These are reasoning failures. You do this here repeatedly.

    You are the poster children for the Dunning-Kruger effect. You have vastly overestimated your abilities relative to mine, and you know it even if you aren't aware of it.

    It's ok. I dont expect much from an ideology that punishes critical thinking. I hope someday you de-program yourself, really I do.
    I'm pretty sure that's the only experience you have at any of this.

    There's a lot of Wild Cobra running around these days. He must be your daddy.

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