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    Ah, good point.

    Easily solved, though. Get rid of the Speaker of the House. The MAGA army would happy to do it for the great man. Smooth sailing after that.
    Can Trump cancel the November election?


    No.


    https://www.vox.com/2020/3/21/211881...on-coronavirus

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    Good article, thanks.

    This stood out:
    A more realistic threat, as the Nation’s Elie Mystal writes, is that state officials could use the extraordinary powers available to them during a major public health crisis to manipulate who is able to cast a ballot. It’s not hard to imagine a cir stance, for example, where the heavily Democratic counties of Miami-Dade and Broward, in Florida, are placed under a “shelter in place” order on Election Day, while residents of Republican counties in the panhandle are free to head to the polls
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    Trump is ing up, continually, in just about every way possible. Attacking the Michigan governor... that is pretty much par for the course. Demanding people kiss his ass to get help in the middle of a disaster like this, will make for some slam dunk campaign ads.
    "Be appreciative," that is what he said.

    But, we all understand what is happening. They're appreciative to others, but, hold their vitriol & hatred for him.

    It's all political (either side of the $2.3 trillion) at a couple hundred dead a day. We'll see if the politics hold at a thousand a day.

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    "Be appreciative," that is what he said.

    But, we all understand what is happening. They're appreciative to others, but, hold their vitriol & hatred for him.

    It's all political (either side of the $2.3 trillion) at a couple hundred dead a day. We'll see if the politics hold at a thousand a day.
    Governor was told by vendors that they were instructed not to return her calls.

    Tone at the top.

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    Fish rots from the head down, as they say.

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    Good article, thanks.

    This stood out:
    A more realistic threat, as the Nation’s Elie Mystal writes, is that state officials could use the extraordinary powers available to them during a major public health crisis to manipulate who is able to cast a ballot. It’s not hard to imagine a cir stance, for example, where the heavily Democratic counties of Miami-Dade and Broward, in Florida, are placed under a “shelter in place” order on Election Day, while residents of Republican counties in the panhandle are free to head to the polls

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    I wish I could say that action was beyond what the Republican-Trump party would do. It is disturbingly plausible.

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    Fish rots from the head down, as they say.
    Every fox smells it's own hole, Winester.

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    Trump ignored advice to tell country the coronavirus pandemic was ‘bad and could get very worse’ in early March

    Donald Trump was advised in early March to warn the public things were about to get worse and chose to ignore that advice.

    The report notes that the final realization about the dangerous spread of COVID-19 preceded the president’s rare prime time address to the nation.

    one White House adviser stated at the time, “If tonight isn’t Trump saying, ‘This is bad and could get very worse, you need to take every precaution necessary,’ then he can kiss a second term goodbye.”

    “Instead, the president, in hastily arranged remarks, said

    he was barring all travel from Europe and

    promised that health insurers had agreed to cover all coronavirus treatments.

    Investors panicked — would necessary cargo still be allowed to come into the U.S.?

    Insurers were taken aback — they had only agreed to cover coronavirus tests, not all treatment.”

    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/trump-ignored-advice-to-tell-country-the-coronavirus-pandemic-was-bad-and-could-get-very-worse-in-early-march-report/




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    Unmasking the Truth: CDC and Hospital Administrators Are Endangering Us All


    "The Coronavirus, or COVID-19, is known to be airborne.

    China, Italy, and South Korea know it.

    The World Health Organization knows it.

    Studies conducted in America have shown
    it can be airborne for up to 3 hours.

    Our CDC knew it was airborne when it first started to be addressed in our country as

    they listed it as such on their website.

    Within 24 hours, they had downgraded their precaution guidelines from airborne to droplet,

    to reflect the paltry supply of personal protective equipment (PPE) available for healthcare workers."

    In response to this mockery of science and our public humiliation to the world,

    our hospitals quickly downgraded the protection available for workers that were knowingly being exposed to Covid-19 positive patients.

    With no shame, a few days later the CDC amended their recommendations to now also include bandanas or scarves as a last resort option for protection.

    Other countries are having their healthcare employees suit up in full Hazmat gear,

    and our expert infectious disease government organization is offering the recommendation of a bandana.

    The street cleaners in China are far, far better protected in their PPE

    than what is being offered to some of the brightest minds in America that are being directly exposed to this virus daily.

    https://medium.com/@CynicalXennial/unmasking-the-truth-cdc-and-hospital-administrators-are-endangering-us-all-b601012f81be

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    This was just reported by Guy Gordon, WJR Radio, (with sources) on Facebook. Detroiters know Guy from his 30+ years of unbiased reporting in the metro Detroit market. This is a long read, but worth it:

    "On Friday, the President insinuated General Motors was acting un-patriotically, and was attempting to profiteer from the shortage of life-sustaining ventilators. He invoked the Defense Production Act, ordering them to produce the ventilators. But GM was already far ahead of any other company in moving forward and had in fact made the commitment to produce the ventilators “at cost” with Ventec, a leading ventilator provider.

    Here are the facts:

    Wednesday 3/18: GM Chairperson Mary Barra reaches out to White House Chief Economic Advisor Larry Kudlow and offers GM’s manufacturing and engineering capacity to fulfill the need for medical supplies. (Source: Axios, GM and White House)

    Friday 3/20 GM and Ventec, a ventilator manufacturer from the Seattle area, announce they are undertaking a feasibility project to determine whether they can jointly initiate rapidly expanded production. (GM and Ventec joint release)

    By Monday 3/23 GM and Ventec not only prove feasibility, but designate GM’s former electronics facility in Kokomo, Ind. as the “clean” facility for production. The UAW is asked to begin recruiting volunteers. It’s a labor intensive project and may need as many as 1,000 workers. GM’s purchasing chief informs Barra he has commitments from nearly all the suppliers needed for 700 components. He is confident the remaining 37 components can be sourced. (GM, Axios and Reuters)

    Tuesday 3/24 Axios and Reuters report GM’s incredible progress. Ventec is told to anticipate an announcement from the White House about the impending contract. Ventec is ready to go but has still not received direction from the feds on how many ventilators it is ordering, making cost quotes per unit more difficult to estimate.

    Wednesday 3/25 Without explanation the White House cancels the announcement and Ventec is told there will be no contract. Late that evening Ventec and GM agree to move forward anyway. GM agrees to help clear Ventec’s 20,000 unit back-order at cost. Essentially they agree to build a decade’s worth of ventilators in less than 2 months.

    Thursday 3/26. NYT reports White House balks because they are trying to decide between different vendors who they believe can offer lower cost options. Ventec and GM prepare to announce their formal production agreement on Friday.

    Friday 3/27 President threatens in 2 tweets to invoke “P” (Defense Production Act) against GM. Suggests they should build ventilators at Lordstown, a plant the White House knows GM no longer owns. They are also aware a much more practical electronics plant was chosen for production. He also insults Mary Barra who made the initial offer with prompting from no one.
    Within 90 minutes, Ventec and GM announce their plans for production. They have hired 1,000 workers, a full shift, and have the sourcing to make 200,000 ventilators. They have printed training manuals and intend to start training in the new work week. All of these plans and progress occur well before any implied or actual threat from President Trump.

    Friday Evening: The President announces he is invoking the Defense Production Act. It will not get things built any faster, but does eliminate the red tape normally associated with government contracting.

    His new procurement czar Peter Navarro suggests many “patriotic” companies had come forward, but they hit a roadblock with GM. The President says, “we won’t pay double or triple for ventilators.” Yet GM and Ventec were producing them at cost. Throughout the briefing it’s implied they had difficult discussions with GM. In fact, Ventec is the primary contractor and handled all interaction beyond Barra’s original offer. When asked in opening Q and A whether cost and profit were a factor, the President was very candid. He doesn’t like GM.

    President: “It got to be a debate over cost. We don’t want to think too much about cost when we’re talking about this. This is not about cost. I WASN’T HAPPY WHERE GENERAL MOTORS BUILT PLANTS IN OTHER LOCATIONS (MEXICO) OVER THE YEARS. ….. AND SO I DIDN’T GO INTO IT WITH A VERY FAVORABLE VIEW. I WAS EXTREMELY UNHAPPY WITH LORDSTOWN OHIO. THEY LEFT LORDSTOWN IN THE MIDDLE OF AN AUTO BOOM (in fact, sales of sedans produced at Lordstown were crashing). BECAUSE WE HAD 17 CAR COMPANIES COMING IN (?) AND THEN THEY WERE LEAVING ONE PLANT IN OHIO. I LOVE OHIO AND WHAT HAPPENS, THAT BECAME THE STORY.

    AND FRANKLY I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE TO BUILD THE VENTILATORS. AND WE’LL SEE, WE’LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

    SO I WASN’T TOO THRILLED.

    “And then we thought we had a deal for 40,000 ventilators and then it became 6 and price became a big object. But Peter is getting involved… maybe they’ll change their tune.”

    Sadly, the tune has always been the same. GM offered to help and in less than 10 days moved heaven and earth to find a location, hire a workforce, source a 700-part piece of technology, spec it out for suppliers and set employee training in motion. All of this to be delivered at cost, a cost that could have been pinned down better had the Government instructed how many they needed.
    Maximum production for Ventec is 200 ventilators per month. GM was offering to build 100 times that many in a matter of a few months… needing less than a month for re-tooling and training. That is nothing short of incredible. Their thanks was a politically motivated shaming in a nationally televised White House briefing. GM was patriotic. GM was All-American. They will not profit. In fact, they may lose business because of the President’s diatribe. I wonder how many other companies are re-thinking their willingness to step up as a result.
    But on Monday, GM will start making masks in Warren and begin training in Kokomo." (Guy Gordon, WJR Radio)
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    "Be appreciative," that is what he said.

    But, we all understand what is happening. They're appreciative to others, but, hold their vitriol & hatred for him.

    It's all political (either side of the $2.3 trillion) at a couple hundred dead a day. We'll see if the politics hold at a thousand a day.
    Remember when Red Team got pissed off at Christie for being appreciative after Hurricane Sandy? Now suddenly appreciation is needed? What changed?

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    Remember when Red Team got pissed off at Christie for being appreciative after Hurricane Sandy? Now suddenly appreciation is needed? What changed?
    Because Christie was a rat, mono. He portended to be on our shoulder with his shoulder, shoulder-to-shoulder, but, he couldn't stand the gaffe,,,then when we won he wanted back in. No.

    You dance with who brung you.
    You go home with who brung you.

    The old man brung usPERIOD

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    Remember when Red Team got pissed off at Christie for being appreciative after Hurricane Sandy? Now suddenly appreciation is needed? What changed?
    when Christie hugged Obama about his help with Sandy? yeah, the rightwingnutjobs don't like no knitter hugging

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    when Christie hugged Obama about his help with Sandy? yeah, the rightwingnutjobs don't like no knitter hugging
    Let us face it, Christie thought the old man was going to lose & he turned his back on him, started to step away.

    Me, at the time? I felt bad when he did that and THEN came sidling back, tail tucked. Me? I'm a softy I'd a taken him back and folded him into my arms. I'm like that. + selfishly I figure, "He won't ever do that again because I gave him back his place. Now, NOW he'll be loyal ever more." But, that me. Most people are like the old man. " ed me. Out!"

    , I'd a taken the Mooch back for cryin' out loud. , I'd still take him back this afternoon.

    That's why if I were the old man I'd a forgiven that hot little chickie that was escorting everybody around the Tower back in '16, then had that desk right outside the Oval. Then MSM pulled her panties down and got her to gossip about the Trumps kids.

    Fine, chew her ass out, give her a last chance. She'd a been forever sorry and loyal. Least ways that's how I look at it.

    Christie screwed up & it's a shame because he hung in there almost all the way. He'd a been set. !!!

    ADDENDUM:::Now CNN/MSM own Christie. He sits on their dais once-in-awhile with that deer in the headlights look, sweating a little (like he always did---but it was okay when he was sweating next to Trump) you understand? Now, it's gross, and I feel sorry. I change the channel immediately. I don't want to see it.

    & I feel bad for that little girl. Having the job of a lifetime in a lifetime of chance. Having to go back home and explain to mother & father what the happened. It's a nightmare. ing Media isolated her and ruined her just to spite the old man. Had nothing to do with her, really, just Him. Ugh.
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    Trump’s attacks on GM have ‘unnerved’ companies —

    and now they’re less willing to help with pandemic response


    President Donald Trump’s decision to attack General Motors last week reportedly “stunned” executives in the company —

    and has now made other companies wary of taking on projects to help combat the coronavirus pandemic.


    “Mr. Trump’s Twitter posts appear to have unnerved other corporate leaders,” the Times reports.

    “A person familiar with the Stop the Spread campaign said that

    several corporate executives who had been willing to contribute to the effort earlier

    had backed away for fear of ending up becoming targets for Mr. Trump.”

    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/trumps-attacks-on-gm-have-unnerved-companies-and-now-theyre-less-willing-to-help-with-pandemic-response/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4145&re cip_id=298460&list_id=1

    Trash and all Trash's voters


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    Trump’s attacks on GM have ‘unnerved’ companies — and now they’re less willing to help with pandemic response

    President Donald Trump’s decision to attack General Motors last week reportedly “stunned” executives in the company —

    and has now made other companies wary of taking on projects to help combat the coronavirus pandemic.


    “Mr. Trump’s Twitter posts appear to have unnerved other corporate leaders,” the Times reports.

    “A person familiar with the Stop the Spread campaign said that

    several corporate executives who had been willing to contribute to the effort earlier

    had backed away for fear of ending up becoming targets for Mr. Trump.”

    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/trumps-attacks-on-gm-have-unnerved-companies-and-now-theyre-less-willing-to-help-with-pandemic-response/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4145&re cip_id=298460&list_id=1

    Trash and all Trash's voters


    He tried mightily to get them to volunteer up & many wouldn't, so, he had to go to the whip.

    "Let us proceed..." - the old man

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    Trump’s attacks on GM have ‘unnerved’ companies —

    and now they’re less willing to help with pandemic response


    President Donald Trump’s decision to attack General Motors last week reportedly “stunned” executives in the company —

    and has now made other companies wary of taking on projects to help combat the coronavirus pandemic.


    “Mr. Trump’s Twitter posts appear to have unnerved other corporate leaders,” the Times reports.

    “A person familiar with the Stop the Spread campaign said that

    several corporate executives who had been willing to contribute to the effort earlier

    had backed away for fear of ending up becoming targets for Mr. Trump.”

    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/trumps-attacks-on-gm-have-unnerved-companies-and-now-theyre-less-willing-to-help-with-pandemic-response/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4145&re cip_id=298460&list_id=1

    Trash and all Trash's voters



    all those pussies -

    Id tell trump to his face - in public - if possible -

    to go himself and resign immediately -


    why the would any person be scared of that piece of ?

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    all those pussies -

    Id tell trump to his face - in public - if possible -

    to go himself and resign immediately -


    why the would any person be scared of that piece of ?
    ...because you'd have to go thru me first, Homer.

    I'm old, but, I'm old.

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    dale, your level of stupidity is mind-blowing.

    you

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    dale, your level of stupidity is mind-blowing.

    you
    Gee, thanks clammy.

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    at least trump isn't that stupid, proven by his supporters

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    TSA AWOL. It's almost as if he knows how bad it is.

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    He tried mightily to get them to volunteer up & many wouldn't, so, he had to go to the whip.

    "Let us proceed..." - the old man
    He didn't. That was kinda the point.

    But hey, this is your claim.

    Proof or "Trying mightily"? Be specific.

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    TSA AWOL. It's almost as if he knows how bad it is.

    Nah -

    he will come back when an obscure FISA court memo comes out and e the football again and praise Carter Page!

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    He didn't. That was kinda the point.

    But hey, this is your claim.

    Proof or "Trying mightily"? Be specific.
    Fine, but, don't toss me back with the sodomites & your Ignore List, gd it.

    I don't do proof, you know this. I don't do links either, you know this, right? Right.

    I saw & heard him say it. He wanted them (and tried mightily) to do it voluntarily so he didn't have to command it & make everyone uncomfortable & have it grudged. And a lot agreed, and he thought he had a deal with GM, but, it got ed up and he got pissed and just ordered them to do it.

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