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  1. #876
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    Then again I don’t remember LeBron making the playoffs at all his first two years

  2. #877
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    95-96 Pippen easily better than any version of Wade LeBron played with except 2010-2011

  3. #878
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    First of all that’s not really true, watch a playoff game
    It’s better defense today , that relies on footwork, reading the offense, athleticism and mobility
    Team defenses are also much better and versatile today, and for a slsher going against the zone is much harder than going ISO.
    ISOball era

    Anybody can handcheck and grab, it doesn’t require any skill

    yesterday’s NBA “defense”
    1on1 Era was clearly more difficult to defend. Now whether Hero ball is more attractive for the common fan is debatable.

    That is why Leonard is dominating today. He's a strong 1on1 player.

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    Then again I don’t remember LeBron making the playoffs at all his first two years
    1. LeBron was 19 as a rookie, MJ was 21.

    2. At 20 years old Lebron averaged 27-7-7 in NBA. At 20 years old MJ was being destroyed in NCAA without Team Leader Worthy.

    3. It's tough to make playoffs with 38-44 record like someone did in 1984-85 season.

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    Pretty cool how I’ve never lost to a lower seeded team in the playoffs ever. Unlike LeBron, who has managed to do this 4 times.

  6. #881
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    1. LeBron was 19 as a rookie, MJ was 21.

    2. At 20 years old Lebron averaged 27-7-7 in NBA. At 20 years old MJ was being destroyed in NCAA without Team Leader Worthy.

    3. It's tough to make playoffs with 38-44 record like someone did in 1984-85 season.
    Yet I made the playoffs my first year. LeBron didn’t. Not for 2 years. Whoops.

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    Pretty cool how I’ve never lost to a lower seeded team in the playoffs ever. Unlike LeBron, who has managed to do this 4 times.
    You are too good to hide behind team accomplishments.

  8. #883
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    Put Lebron on the Bulls. What changes

    Switch Jordan and Irving

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    Put Lebron on the Bulls. What changes

    Switch Jordan and Irving
    I think Scottie compliments MJ better. Michael is more score-first player at heart. Pippen is all-round do it all player style-wise.

    For the same reason Irving compliments LeBron better except styles are reversed.

    It would be fun to watch. I don't know what would have changed, I can only speculate.

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    7:38 onward -- class dismissed. Enjoy your holiday

    damn headshot tbh..

  11. #886
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    I think Scottie compliments MJ better. Michael is more score-first player at heart. Pippen is all-round do it all player style-wise.

    For the same reason Irving compliments LeBron better except styles are reversed.

    It would be fun to watch. I don't know what would have changed, I can only speculate.
    Late in the 2nd Run Pippen was at times the 3rd and 4th scorer

    Beauty to watch those Bulls defend

  12. #887
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    LeBron is 1-8 in the finals without Kyrie and Ray Allen, two lesser players than Scottie
    1-8 > 1-9. His Airness had a couple sweeps during that stretch

    Wanna compare players at age 35?

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    Yet I made the playoffs my first year. LeBron didn’t. Not for 2 years. Whoops.
    What happened in 1986, in the 1st round?

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    Put Lebron on the Bulls. What changes

    Switch Jordan and Irving
    Bron and Scottie together? 8 straight. Bron wouldn't get his Dad offed or have Stern force him to retire.

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    1-8 > 1-9. His Airness had a couple sweeps during that stretch

    Wanna compare players at age 35?
    I might have said this before but Lebron has an odd career trajectory. His performance vs the Pistons in 2007 might be my favorite Lebron performance. Then he plateaus and even declines until 2012.

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    Pretty cool how I’ve never lost to a lower seeded team in the playoffs ever. Unlike LeBron, who has managed to do this 4 times.
    How many les in the 80s? You had 6 chances...

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    I might have said this before but Lebron has an odd career trajectory. His performance vs the Pistons in 2007 might be my favorite Lebron performance. Then he plateaus and even declines until 2012.
    LeBron James is more talented than Jordan. Jumps higher, stronger, bigger, more durable, etc. Jodan never faced a team like the Dubs in the Finals. And he never beat a super team in the Finals. Bron did. Then they cheated and signed KD

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    Bron and Scottie together? 8 straight. Bron wouldn't get his Dad offed or have Stern force him to retire.
    Pippen would be the one posting up I'll say that much about Lebron

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    Damn you mother ers mean to tell me LeBron couldn’t make the playoffs in that weak ass East until he got Mike Brown as coach?

  20. #895
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    LeBron James is more talented than Jordan. Jumps higher, stronger, bigger, more durable, etc. Jodan never faced a team like the Dubs in the Finals. And he never beat a super team in the Finals. Bron did. Then they cheated and signed KD
    Jordan better on the ball defending. Better around picks. Better change of pace. Higher elevation. Superior at anticipating. Better offensive shot, by a significant margin.

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    Pretty cool how I’ve never lost to a lower seeded team in the playoffs ever. Unlike LeBron, who has managed to do this 4 times.
    Jordan wasn't good enough to go to the NBA straight outta high school like Kobe, Bron, KG, T-Mac, etc. Why is that son?

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    damn headshot tbh..
    Too easy

  23. #898
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    LeBron couldn’t make the playoffs without this man?


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    Jordan better on the ball defending. Better around picks. Better change of pace. Higher elevation. Superior at anticipating. Better offensive shot, by a significant margin.
    The bolded is absurd. The rest is debatable.

    Put into context, Bron dominated far superior perimeter defenders/compe ion. Imagine Bron in the 80s/90s being defended by plumbers, accountants, and subs ute teachers like MJ did at least 60 games a year Maybe 22 times a year he played someone even in his stratosphere, athletically. I'd love to see John Starks or Craig Ehlo try to guard the Kang

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    LeBron couldn’t make the playoffs without this man?

    Jordan had a of a luxury Bron never had:


    1 playoff win without Pippen
    9 playoff losses without Pippen

    PATHETIC
    Last edited by LkrFan; 05-25-2020 at 05:28 PM.

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