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    Is Trump ing up or is he not ing up opening restaurant dining rooms, gyms, movie theaters, etc? While saying he doesn't need testing to repoen the nation.
    Trump isn’t opening restaurant dining rooms, gyms, movie theaters etc. And you still haven’t shown that I ever defended or recommended the Swedish approach for the US, as you claimed.

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    So they're hiding say 7700 deaths since they had their first confirmed case when we did?
    Where are you getting the 7700 death figure?

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    Trump isn’t opening restaurant dining rooms, gyms, movie theaters etc. And you still haven’t shown that I ever defended or recommended the Swedish approach for the US, as you claimed.
    Yes he is. LOL at the thought he isn't the GOP. Close enough to the Swedish approach if we're racing to open gyms and dining rooms of all places. Sounds like casinos too. Only bars and schools closed. LOL there's no criteria for dropping from Phase 1 back to a Phase 0 when cases start increasing.

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    Where are you getting the 7700 death figure?
    US per capita COVID-19 deaths times South Korean population since they officially got it the same day we did.

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    US per capita COVID-19 deaths times South Korean population since they officially got it the same day we did.
    I am comparing SK with one of the best case scenarios - Texas. You believe SK has less than half the deaths Texas has with 2x the people in 14% of the land mass?

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    I am comparing SK with one of the best case scenarios - Texas. You believe SK has less than half the deaths Texas has with 2x the people in 14% of the land mass?
    Yes I do.

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    I don't. I also called China's data flat out lying long ago when some here were using them as a benchmark for how to deal with the virus. Not because China is dishonest (they are) but because their results are statistically impossible.

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    Because doing nothing is as effective than immediate widespread testing and contact tracing?

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    Because doing nothing is as effective than immediate widespread testing and contact tracing?
    Statistically improbable - not impossible like China, but I don't believe the numbers.

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    Also, would you be willing to allow the federal government to track you the way SK tracks its citizens? Contact tracing relies on participation. US cannot even keep kids from spring breaking at beaches.

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    Also, would you be willing to allow the federal government to track you the way SK tracks its citizens? Contact tracing relies on participation. US cannot even keep kids from spring breaking at beaches.
    You're asking me to compare a government of responsible adults to one led by Trump and McConnell. It's like comparing apples to dildos.

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    "Someone said something on twitter! Grrrrr! Arggggh!"

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    You're asking me to compare a government of responsible adults to one led by Trump and McConnell. It's like comparing apples to dildos.
    Would you be willing to have the type of society that South Korea has?

    The spring breakers probably never voted in their lives and obviously no one is in charge of them.

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    Individual rights
    See also: Freedom of religion in South Korea
    See also: South Korean illegal surveillance incident
    Every citizen over the age of 19 has the right to vote.

    Official censorship is not in place.[citation needed] The National Security Law makes it a crime to express sympathies with North Korea, and though it is not consistently enforced, there are over 100 people imprisoned under it annually. A play about the Yodok political prison camp in North Korea has come under significant pressure from authorities to tone down its criticism and the producers have allegedly been threatened with prosecution under the security law.[4] Some conservative groups have complained that police keep a tight watch on their demonstrations and that some people were prevented from attending rallies.[5] Former Unification Minister Chung Dong-young was once accused of attempting to distract reporters from a meeting of activists for human rights in North Korea. Several established human rights organizations, however, have held lectures and exhibits critical of North Korea with no interference.[6]

    Censorship is more notable in the media.[citation needed] Songs and theater play in Japanese language or relating to Japan are generally prohibited.[7] Despite the lifting of most regulations in 1996 and 1998 following a Cons utional Court ruling that they were illegal, scenes of extreme violence can be barred and pornography is forbidden from showing penetration of any kind, and genitals must be blurred out. Though technically legal, pornography must still meet some minimum standards of artistic integrity, which are not clearly written in the law.[8] In 1997 a human rights film festival was blocked and the organizers arrested for refusing to submit their films for pre-screening.[9] The government blocks access to North Korean websites and, sometimes, to major overseas web sites that host blogs.[citation needed] There is currently a debate over whether to revoke the ability to make anonymous comments online.[10]

    Frank La Rue, The U.N. Special Rapporteur for Freedom of Opinion and Expression, announced that the government under the President Lee Myung-bak severely curtailed the freedom of expression in South Korea.[11][12]

    Minority and immigrant rights
    See also: LGBT rights in South Korea
    South Korea, like Japan, is one of the most ethnically geneous countries in the world, and it is difficult for outsiders to be fully accepted.

    The large population of workers from Southeast Asia, over half of whom are estimated to be in the country illegally, face considerable discrimination both in and out of the workplace.

    This has led to the privately funded establishment of a school specifically targeted at children with an immigrated parent, with English and Korean as its main languages. When Hines Ward, who is of mixed Korean and African American heritage, earned MVP honors in Super Bowl XL, it sparked a debate in Korean society about the treatment mixed children receive.[13]

    South Korea's still continuing traditionalist beliefs result in few people being open about their sexuality. sexuality is discouraged, although sexuality is legal in South Korea. As a result, there are few if any legal protections in place for gays and lesbians, and many of them are afraid to come out to their families, friends, and co-workers.[14] Gay men are not allowed to serve in the military, and in 2005 five soldiers were discharged for sexuality.[15]



    If the US could manage the population like South Korea does, we would be so much better off.

    You cannot have the rain without having the wet.

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    Individual rights
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    See also: South Korean illegal surveillance incident
    Every citizen over the age of 19 has the right to vote.

    Official censorship is not in place.[citation needed] The National Security Law makes it a crime to express sympathies with North Korea, and though it is not consistently enforced, there are over 100 people imprisoned under it annually. A play about the Yodok political prison camp in North Korea has come under significant pressure from authorities to tone down its criticism and the producers have allegedly been threatened with prosecution under the security law.[4] Some conservative groups have complained that police keep a tight watch on their demonstrations and that some people were prevented from attending rallies.[5] Former Unification Minister Chung Dong-young was once accused of attempting to distract reporters from a meeting of activists for human rights in North Korea. Several established human rights organizations, however, have held lectures and exhibits critical of North Korea with no interference.[6]

    Censorship is more notable in the media.[citation needed] Songs and theater play in Japanese language or relating to Japan are generally prohibited.[7] Despite the lifting of most regulations in 1996 and 1998 following a Cons utional Court ruling that they were illegal, scenes of extreme violence can be barred and pornography is forbidden from showing penetration of any kind, and genitals must be blurred out. Though technically legal, pornography must still meet some minimum standards of artistic integrity, which are not clearly written in the law.[8] In 1997 a human rights film festival was blocked and the organizers arrested for refusing to submit their films for pre-screening.[9] The government blocks access to North Korean websites and, sometimes, to major overseas web sites that host blogs.[citation needed] There is currently a debate over whether to revoke the ability to make anonymous comments online.[10]

    Frank La Rue, The U.N. Special Rapporteur for Freedom of Opinion and Expression, announced that the government under the President Lee Myung-bak severely curtailed the freedom of expression in South Korea.[11][12]

    Minority and immigrant rights
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    South Korea, like Japan, is one of the most ethnically geneous countries in the world, and it is difficult for outsiders to be fully accepted.

    The large population of workers from Southeast Asia, over half of whom are estimated to be in the country illegally, face considerable discrimination both in and out of the workplace.

    This has led to the privately funded establishment of a school specifically targeted at children with an immigrated parent, with English and Korean as its main languages. When Hines Ward, who is of mixed Korean and African American heritage, earned MVP honors in Super Bowl XL, it sparked a debate in Korean society about the treatment mixed children receive.[13]

    South Korea's still continuing traditionalist beliefs result in few people being open about their sexuality. sexuality is discouraged, although sexuality is legal in South Korea. As a result, there are few if any legal protections in place for gays and lesbians, and many of them are afraid to come out to their families, friends, and co-workers.[14] Gay men are not allowed to serve in the military, and in 2005 five soldiers were discharged for sexuality.[15]



    If the US could manage the population like South Korea does, we would be so much better off.

    You cannot have the rain without having the wet.
    Why do you copy+paste all this crap out when you just say they're lying about the death toll anyways?

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    Why do you copy+paste all this crap out when you just say they're lying about the death toll anyways?
    Do you think a government that imprisons its own citizens for saying something in defense of NK is all about getting the truth out?

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    Do you think a government that imprisons its own citizens for saying something in defense of NK is all about getting the truth out?
    Everyone's a lying piece of because Trump is. Gotcha.

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    Everyone's a lying piece of because Trump is. Gotcha.
    No, the Executive Branch is. No comment on Trump from DMC.

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    Everyone's a lying piece of because Trump is. Gotcha.
    In one thread you got RG screaming "population density!" to differentiate Texas from NY but here in this thread you're ignoring population density.

    You can map out the countries and see the statistical anomalies, they stand out like a turd in a punch bowl. Of course you can dismiss that because you hate Trump, that's your call. I won't.

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    No, the Executive Branch is. No comment on Trump from DMC.
    You're one as well, as I have illustrated.

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    In one thread you got RG screaming "population density!" to differentiate Texas from NY but here in this thread you're ignoring population density.

    You can map out the countries and see the statistical anomalies, they stand out like a turd in a punch bowl. Of course you can dismiss that because you hate Trump, that's your call. I won't.
    You're ignoring South Korea's strong and fast mitigation efforts because you can't stand Trump getting any blame for ing up. Instead you want to make up thousands of Korean dead out of thin air. It's ing pathetic how far the 30% will go to normalize Trump.

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    You're one as well, as I have illustrated.
    I will allow for the possibility every government could be lying about numbers.

    How are you saying ROK is hiding all the thousands of new cases and hundreds of dead bodies?

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    You're ignoring South Korea's strong and fast mitigation efforts because you can't stand Trump getting any blame for ing up. Instead you want to make up thousands of Korean dead out of thin air. It's ing pathetic how far the 30% will go to normalize Trump.
    What of China's strong and fast mitigation efforts?

    If you cannot question the stats unless they come from your own government, why even bring up South Korea? Obviously it's a touchy subject you're not willing to consider.

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    I will allow for the possibility every government could be lying about numbers.

    How are you saying ROK is hiding all the thousands of new cases and hundreds of dead bodies?
    Why would they need to hide them? Are you saying no one has died and been buried or cremated in SK? How is China hiding them?

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    Why would they need to hide them? Are you saying no one has died and been buried or cremated in SK? How is China hiding them?
    You're trying to answer my question with three questions. It's depressingly easy to make you do backflips these days.

    How are you saying ROK is hiding all the thousands of new cases and hundreds of dead bodies?

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