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On to Odom.
www.sun-sentinel.com/spor...ports-heat
Heat ready to offer Brand $82.2M
By Ira Winderman
and Harvey Fialkov
Sun-Sentinel Staff Writers
Posted July 16 2003
Less than a week after saying he might take a passive approach to the NBA's free-agent signing period, Heat coach Pat Riley is poised to make a splash similar to those he previously has made in South Florida with the high-stakes additions of Alonzo Mourning, Eddie Jones and Brian Grant.
Los Angeles Clippers power forward Elton Brand was in South Florida on Tuesday and today will be extended a contract offer from the Heat that could be as high as $82.2 million over six years -- the most an outside team can offer.
Riley spoke last week of avoiding the type of contracts he previously extended to Mourning, Jones and Grant, but hedged by adding, "There's only one player I would consider doing that for."
That player turned out to be Brand.
Unlike the Heat's previous megabucks bids, this one comes with strings attached -- plenty of strings, including what likely will be a tense waiting period.
Because Brand is a restricted free agent, the Clippers would have 15 days to match a Heat offer sheet. However, the Heat and agent David Falk are believed to have constructed the offer sheet in a way to make it particularly unpalatable to notoriously tightfisted Clippers owner Donald T. Sterling.
Foremost, the Heat can make Brand's expected $10.96 million 2003-04 salary payable immediately and can advance additional funds into that lump-sum payment through accelerated signing bonuses. In addition, a maximum trade kicker is expected to be written into the offer, automatically accelerating remaining payments by 15 percent should Brand be dealt.
For the Heat, it means if Brand accepts the offer, as expected, that until July 30, Riley's team will be out of the free-agent market. It also means if the offer to Brand is not matched by the Clippers, the Heat would have to fill out the balance of its roster with minimum-salary players.
With Brand, 24, the Heat could field a lineup of Grant at center, Caron Butler and Brand at forward, and Jones and rookie Dwyane Wade in the backcourt.
More likely in the scenario of Brand being added would be a trade of a veteran, perhaps Jones, in a bid to either bolster needed depth at center and point guard, or to lessen the Heat's overall salary burden, with an eye toward adding another prime free agent next summer.
The addition of Brand would more than offset the free-agent loss of Mourning, who today will join the New Jersey Nets. The expiration of Mourning's $105 million contract created the space for the potential addition of Brand.
While the built-in incentives in the offer sheet would allow Brand to realize a financial windfall by the end of the month, a decision to accept the Heat's offer sheet would display a faith in Riley's ability to rebuild a franchise that dropped to 25-57 last season and has not won a playoff game in three years.
Because NBA rules sharply favor in bent teams when it comes to free agents, Brand is eligible for a far greater deal from the Clippers, one that could max out at $105.5 million over seven years. Under NBA rules, outside teams may only offer 10-percent annual raises in offer sheets, while in bent teams may offer 12.5-percent raises. In addition, outside teams may only offer six-year contracts, while in bent teams may offer a maximum of seven years.
Once Brand signs the offer sheet, it means Brand would be property of the Heat or Clippers by the end of the month. No other team is allowed to negotiate with the 6-foot-8 power forward once the offer sheet is executed.
While Brand is, by far, the Clippers' most productive player, he also has toiled for an owner reluctant to pay the going rate for productive talent. The largest deal previously approved by Sterling, a Los Angeles real estate magnate, was a five-year, $15 million package to guard Eric Piatkowski in 1998.
As much as anything, the Heat's gambit is based on timing. The Clippers are expected today to also receive offer sheets from the Utah Jazz and Denver Nuggets, respectively, for guards Corey Maggette and Andre Miller, worth about $100 million combined.
To further give Sterling pause is the reality that if the offer for Brand is matched, the Heat is expected to immediately extend an offer sheet to Clippers forward Lamar Odom, a player Riley has coveted since the 1999 NBA Draft, when he offered valued forward P.J. Brown in a trade.
The Heat likely has made its intentions with Odom already known. One agent said Tuesday that Odom may stand as the ultimate goal, with Sterling unable to quickly recover from the haymaker of the Brand offer sheet.
In Brand, the Heat is looking at an undersized forward who has displayed an uncanny ability to get the ball to the rim as a scorer and snag it off the boards as a rebounder.
Because most teams take the full 15 days to decide on offer sheets, the Heat will be forced to the sidelines at a time the free-agent market is being picked clean.
Ira Winderman can be reached at [email protected]. Harvey Fialkov can be reached at [email protected].
F him.
On to Odom.
If Don Sterling elects not to match the offer, Pat Reiley needs to send Bill Duffy 1000 fruit baskets (for not picking up Carter's option).
I guess Spurs were never a serious conteder for Brand after all. :eyebrow
I guess you really think we give a **** what you have to say. :eyebrow
I think a lot of guys are afraid to sign with the Spurs. It's a tough job to be a Spur, a Mav or a King...because you are fighting ALL year for the le and most importantly against the Lakers.
Guys would much rather run to the east where it's easier even if it means no le. Granted Brand would make more with the Heat and Miami is a more exciting town than S.A., but there has to be something to all this.
We are defending world champs with the 2-time MVP who is also the consumate teammate and a great leader AND we have millions under the cap and SO MANY players are turning us down.
I think the Malone and Payton decisions sent a lot of guys running for the east. Kidd went from on the fence to outright dedicated to the Nets as soon the Lakers revamped.
I think guys are terrified to be a Spur because the Lakers will be targeting us, and no one wants to be a part of that.
Maybe Pippen or Horry would, but only because they're vets who aren't afraid. But it's unlikely we'll get either.
I think the le just royally screwed us over with Free Agents.
Brand doesn't want to be any part of our repeat efforts.
I say **** all of them, and let's win it again, and show them what they passed up!
Brand and Kidd will have to learn to live with mediocrity through their careers ... commiting long term to eastern teams with no hope of getting a le. Kidd will be the thing he fears the most ... a great player who never won a le.
Something doesn't wash in this article..
Before I get to that...how in the **** can the Heat offer more than we can? Why are we sitting around ing with this front loaded deal when all he wants is a max offer?
But what doesn't wash with me...Brand knows Sterling is going to match that offer..it's a grand total of 5 million more that what the Clips have already offered...
Brand wants to play for a winner, he has said he will take less to stay in LA is Sterling signs..#1 How in the **** are the Heat considered a winner?
#2. Why would he put himself at risk to get ed and stay in LA while simultaneously helping Odom to escape?
He could be gambling to get Sterling to sign both he and Odom to long term deals but that is a stupid thing to do IMO.
I mean Brand wants Odom to stay in LA along with Magette, so why would he deliberately **** himself into long term deal in LA with no out..and blaze a path for his help to leave...
Pretty much guranteeing he will be stuck in LA with no sidekicks of any worth.
Why would he let himself be used?
And I call bull as well on Brand being afraid of playing in the West..the dude isn't that kind of player.
I do think guys like the East more because they can make the AS game easier over there..but what I have noticed is after a few years guys get sick of playing the AS game anyway.
Anyway something isn't right with this article, maybe I am missing something...but it sure doesn't make much sense.
Unless Brand just absolutely doesn't care about winning..and I don't think that's the case.
I want to know if the Spurs pulled out of this deal. We are hearing they did in certain corners of the press...
That's the only thing that makes sense to me..Brand wants out but the Spurs backed off..
The Spurs need to stop being so wishy washy and heavy handed on who they want..it makes them look bad, insincere, and it is a character trait this team has had for a few offseasons now. Pick your freaking guys and go after him but don't screw loyal guys in the process.
Maybe I am wrong, but I want to hear Brand wasn't interested...I don't want to hear this stuff about us concentrating our efforts elsewhere because we don't think we can get him. I mean we were willing to **** DROB for Webber..what have we got to lose on this one?
Maybe Brand lied? Players give lip service to winning all the time. Out of Utah, San Antonio, and Miami where would you like to have an opportunity to live for the next 6 years?
Beyond that, there is a dearth of bigmen in the East. Brand can make an impact there and get notice. As well he has an opportunity to become the Heat's franchise player.
He will have a good crack at the All-Star team every year and what pressure is there exactly in Miami for the Heat to win?
The terms of the deal are similiar to the one that the Spurs were offering. Also, those terms make this deal more attractive to Brand by more than the nominal $5 mil difference. The Clippers' alleged offer wouldn't have the same payout as this one, as has been discussed ad naseum in this forum.
Finally, remaining with the Clippers was never a viable option for Brand. He never wanted to stay there.
Going to small market SA where he would be overshadowed by Duncan and also lose attention to a young and up and coming player like Parker wasn't apparently his top choice.
The only upshot is that Odom will now be available and he will be facing Denver, Utah, and SA who have any major cap flexibility though how much Denver has is a significant question mark. Also if things fall through with the Wizards and Arenas maybe they turn their attention to Odom?
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No MB, you see...the reports we have been reading don't say Brand turned us down...they say we blew it off...
And Brand has been saying he wanted to stay in LA since he got there..if..
And at the beginning of this article it says Riley will only offer the max to one player Brand..
And then it turns around and says it's all a gambit to get Odom...
Surely Brand must realize he's being used?
If he wants to stay in LA all he has to do is tell the Clips to give him the max and they will do it I am pretty sure.
Anyway I am confused but I suppose more will come out as time goes by.
I want to hear Brand turned us down though..I need to hear that before I start assreaming our FO. Because all I have heard was that Brand's agent was working with us to find a poison pill contract...no doubt he wouldn't mind Miami...but I also don't think Brand is going to pull a Kidd and a team around that is willing to lay it on the line to get him out of there.
ing Rasho..I mean hey at least he wants to play here..but still
We aint winning a ing le this year by replacing DROB with Rasho...keeping that draft pick looks like a pretty good idea about now..Hope Phoenix enjoys shoving Balderama or what ever his name is up our ass for the next 6 years before we collect on that pick.
Somethings ed up if Minnesota can get guys..Portland can get guys...I mean SA isn't any worse than those places..Someone is dropping the ball somewhere this offseason..
Oh and Odom damn sure isn't coming here...get real..
Whott the ?
Yeah, Minnesota can get guys. They couldn't even resign their own player. They got a reject NOBODY wanted.
Portland, what non-criminal did they get?
Who has Utah and Denver gotten so far? They both have MAJOR bucks to spend too.
What news stories did you read saying the Spurs blew off Brand? Not the same ones I have been reading.
What 28th draft pick had even a 50% chance of making the the rotation. Yet we would have been stuck with a guaranteed contract.
You are so brilliant. Take a Xanax and chill. Everything is going to work out all right.
Minnesota gets guys all the time..Joe Smith...
Portland? They get DA..they get Scottie Pippen, they get a lot of guys that aren't criminals..
Denver is about to get Miller and Utah is about to get Magette they have both signed sheets...
I am sorry you haven't seen the stories saying the Spurs pulled out, but if you look around they aren't hard to see..I know I have been debating it with guys in here hoping that they don't..
So maybe you should pull your head out of your ass and check your facts before jumping my .
And if you could read you would see what I wanted to hear before I jumped the FO's .
And if it is going to work out then why worry about me freaking out...just sit back and claim scoreboard when it happens. You take the xanax and stick it clean up your own ass.
Edit: and furthermore..with regards to the draft pick..while he may or may not have contributed..I can think of a lot better things to do with a pick then give it to a team we have problems with for a pick we might not get a return on for 6 years from now.
You are happy with Rasho, I am not if that is all we get...I think that sucks ass and I think we are in for a ty season and an asskicking at the hands of the Lakers. Deal with it.
So, it's not a MAX offer for CMagg afterall......As much as anything, the Heat's gambit is based on timing. The Clippers are expected today to also receive offer sheets from the Utah Jazz and Denver Nuggets, respectively, for guards Corey Maggette and Andre Miller, worth about $100 million combined.
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Closer to :
55 mil for CMagg
45-50 mil for Dre Miller
The Clips would pass on both these guys IMHO
And another one bites the dust
Yeah then got fined and lost five first round picks. And had their GM suspended. What a great example.Minnesota gets guys all the time..Joe Smith...
Yeah, and they've been real winners ever since. So sucessful that they alienated their fans, have had to fire coaches and their GM, and are a lock to pay major luxury tax.Portland? They get DA..they get Scottie Pippen, they get a lot of guys that aren't criminals..
Yeah, those are a couple of All Stars. And it remains to be seen whether Sterling matches Magette's offer sheet. Both those teams had as much or more cap space to work with than the Spurs.Denver is about to get Miller and Utah is about to get Magette they have both signed sheets...
I've been scouring the net about four hours a day for the last several days. As for your posts, I always take those with a BIG grain of salt. You like to be a hater and you always find a way.I am sorry you haven't seen the stories saying the Spurs pulled out, but if you look around they aren't hard to see..I know I have been debating it with guys in here hoping that they don't..
Okay GW, Jr. If your stinks and you think is smells great, someone has to tell you.So maybe you should pull your head out of your ass and check your facts before jumping my .
LMAO a hater? Lol I have been called a homer 50 times a day for the past year...Lol I have even had DizzG call me a homer. Ahem I have been called a homer by the starter of this thread..
Believing in your team and it's homegrown players makes you a homer even if they win a le it seems..criticizing what appears to be stupid manuevers by the FO equals hater...
Maybe I am just calling it like I see it..
If we pulled out on this deal I am gonna be pissed we didn't have the balls to see it through. Check this forum you will see articles saying the Spurs thought Sterling would match so they turned their efforts elsewhere. Bad freaking move if that is why Brand is sitting in Miami right now.
And like it or not if we are striking out on all these FA's someone needs to take a damn salesmanship class..Sure SA might require a bit more salesmenship than Miami, but I refuse to believe SA sucks so bad that no one will play there.
Ok truth you AHOLE!
Check this from an article posted on page 2 of this forum:
Woudln't you consider that a minor screwup on our part?The Spurs considered offering a front-loaded $74 million deal, with $22 million payable immediately. They may, instead, pull out of the bidding, even though Brand has become their No. 1 prospect.
Get the ing smalltown chip off your shoulder..Brand may not be the bad guy here.
Link to the thread:
pub237.ezboard.com/ffullsportpressfrm7.showMessage?topicID=3980.topic
Now who is the hater ?
And one other thing...this "no one wants to live in SA" excuse only goes so far...just because an athlete may not want to live in a city doesn't mean he won't play for it's team...
Bruce Bowen still has a house in Miami.. Bruce chose to play here even though he still lives in Miami...Manu I imagine has one in Argentina still, Tony in Paris...Karl Malone lives in damn Arkansas...Where is Rasho right now?
San Antonio is a kickass city..it's a party city..it's not the turn off you guys want to make it out to be and it's also not the immovable obstacle of getting players to play here...someone is dropping the ball on convincing these guys to play here. Can the FO judge talent? Definitely...are they doing a good job of selling players on the Spurs? Obviously not.
Ok, if Brand does sign an offer sheet from the Heat, the Spurs should sign Odom to an offer sheet at the same time. That way, if Sterling matches a deal for Brand, then Miami is left with nothing. Either Odom will signed by the Spurs or he'll signed by the Clips.The Heat likely has made its intentions with Odom already known. One agent said Tuesday that Odom may stand as the ultimate goal, with Sterling unable to quickly recover from the haymaker of the Brand offer sheet.
Tex
It's very possible the Spurs have pulled out of the bidding for Brand out of fear that he will be matched.
If that is the case, and Brand signs with Miami and isn ot matched, I will be VERY disapointed in our Front Office, for not showing the balls when they had the chance to step up and knock one out.
Ludden has said they were getting scared as well as national sources. Now, if Brand does get matched, and we take another route, then well there's no problem there at all.
We Shall see.
Also, this makes the Odom offer much more likely now.
If the Spurs want Odom they better put the offer on the table now. They better make that offer rich to entice Odom and scare off Sterling. They better tell Odom "if you're interested sign it now, no waiting" so they don't get played by Odom, his agent and Miami waiting around to see what Sterling does with Brand. If Odom won't sign now asume he's interested in Miami and the only way we get him is if Sterling doesn't match Brand, so just walk away. He can go to Denver but they have Melo, Tskitishvili, and White so he's not a great fit. Utah. God I hope he doesn't want to go to Utah more than SA. Now if Odom did come just don't let him be in the same room with Jax without adult supervision.
If we're not interested in Odom or him in us then we're out of the market for impact players. Arenas has said he wants to play PG and he's the only one left.
How much is the Brandon exception? One rumor was that Miami would trade Joones to the T Wolves for Brandon's contract. Maybe Miami could sweeten it with draft picks. They do that and they might pull both Brand and Odom in.
The problem with fans is that unless they read a news report or a newspaper article saying that your front office is pursuing yada yada yada, they assume its not happening.
Wrong.
I'm sure the Spurs know what they're next course of action is and are currently pursuing it.
Why are the Heat taking the approach with Brand and then Odom that the Spurs should be taking?
Now, at worst, Brand goes to the Heat and Sterling re-signs Odom.
At best, Sterling retains Brand and we get in a bidding war for Odom.
Buford better friggin' get on the ball here. Rasho ain't enough.
Ghost,
I honestly believe there is alot more to this onethat meets the avg fans eye. Join our chats sometime.
Man,
What the **** is our front office doing?
Besides looking like a bunch of pussies afraid of Donald ing Sterling.
AHF
Not good news for Spurs fans.
It's the same "check" and "checkmate" move mentioned yesterday regarding what the Spurs should do. I just didn't think it would be coming from the Miami Heat.
As mentioned yesterday, I doubt Odom (and his agent) will be inclined to move too quickly.
People, the answer is rather obvious...Elton Brand prefers South Beach to Austin Highway.
Look, he can only choose to sign one offer sheet. He went with the Heat.
Next.
I am not so sure he will sign. this is a florida paper reporting this. maybe the spurs will max their offer.
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