Canada bans assault-style weapons after its worst ever mass murder

[Blake]

With a video for proof.

OH VIDEO ANECDOTES!

[DMC]

So why make any more difficult for killers to get the guns if they're just gonna get them any way, amirite?



Cool more anecdotes

I know you want to come off as clever but you're really too ignorant to participate in these types of discussions. As soon as we start talking about the Christians and how they are going to create a society of biblical law, you can resume your petty quips. OK, bye then.

[midnightpulp]

The bottom line is Australia's gun ban did not change their gun violence. They had one event before that was significant. They still have shootings. A person willing to kill everyone in their own family and turn the gun on themselves could very well walk into a mall and kill plenty. The ability is there.

In my travels around other countries, one think I noticed is the lack of general disgust with other people like here in the US. You see these people get into fights outside a nightclub in Sweden, one guy knocks the out of the other, dude falls, they roll him over and drag him off the sidewalk. Here in the US someone not even in the fray would run up and stomp his head, then someone else would steal his wallet. Hatred and lack of give-a- about people in general in this country makes mass killings just a step further than suicide. I don't get the thing with the kids, mental illness I suppose, but some others.. those people have lived lives of not really giving 2 s about anyone. Whatever causes that, I don't know. Maybe they weren't raised properly.

My theory is because Americans are indoctrinated with this " you, I'm getting mine at any cost" social Darwinism mentality throughout life. Al Capone, Scarface, etc are cultural icons for a reason, while hardly anyone remembers Elliot Ness. This explains the rise of Trump, as well. His mantra of "winning" at all costs appeals to this American sickness.

[Blake]

When "gun control" is being used as a nebulous term, the slope is very slippery. Keep puking out logical fallacy accusations though Blake. It's impressive

You're the one calling it nebulous, dip . Most of us here want to start with getting rid of AR-15s since there's no need for them.

[Blake]

I know you want to come off as clever but you're really too ignorant to participate in these types of discussions. As soon as we start talking about the Christians and how they are going to create a society of biblical law, you can resume your petty quips. OK, bye then.

Oh ad hominem now. Don't stop now, keep going.

[DMC]

And now we track and regulate ammonium nitrate sales and transport. It isn't a placebo, it's a deterrent. Whereas before you could claim ignorance and go on your merry way, now you have some explaining to do. It's the right thing to do.

It's easy to make ammonium nitrate. As long as the non-involved crowd thinks something is being done, placebo legislation will continue to be the answer post-event panic.

See? Every law has verbiage, and things have to be clearly spelled out. Can't buy a bump stock, but you can still use bump fire techniques. Can't have a fully automatic weapon, but you can still shoot around the same RPM using bump fire on a semi-auto. Cannot manufacture and sell high cap magazines, but you can still sell what you already own. For every law like that, there's an underlying intent and an outcome that doesn't quite satisfy the intent.

[midnightpulp]

I love when disingenuous people use "slippery slope" to hide obvious realities.

Slippery slope is an actual logical fallacy. Where's your evidence that one restriction will lead to another restriction to another until full "gun grabbing" is achieved? California ins uted an assault weapons ban way back in 1989. This has not lead to any kind of wholesale gun grabbing. It's actually not particularly difficult to buy a gun in California.

[DMC]

Slippery slope is an actual logical fallacy. Where's your evidence that one restriction will lead to another restriction to another until full "gun grabbing" is achieved? California ins uted an assault weapons ban way back in 1989. This has not lead to any kind of wholesale gun grabbing. It's actually not particularly difficult to buy a gun in California.

No one said "one restriction". You're moving goalposts. I said "gun control". Without quantification, the slope can be as slippery as I want.

[Nathan89]

Slippery slope is an actual logical fallacy. Where's your evidence that one restriction will lead to another restriction to another until full "gun grabbing" is achieved? California ins uted an assault weapons ban way back in 1989. This has not lead to any kind of wholesale gun grabbing. It's actually not particularly difficult to buy a gun in California.

Yeah, I've already explained numerous factors that hint to the direction of the puck. Including people that admit that these things are just stepping stones.

[Blake]

No one said "one restriction". You're moving goalposts. I said "gun control". Without quantification, the slope can be as slippery as I want.

Lol "moving goalpost"

What do you think this thread is about?

[ElNono]

My theory is because Americans are indoctrinated with this " you, I'm getting mine at any cost" social Darwinism mentality throughout life. Al Capone, Scarface, etc are cultural icons for a reason, while hardly anyone remembers Elliot Ness. This explains the rise of Trump, as well. His mantra of "winning" at all costs appeals to this American sickness.

Add jeebo s to that for an explosive combo. The Cons ution and "what the forefathers wanted" has been reduced to "the bible" and "what jesus wanted" pretty much...

[Blake]

It's easy to make ammonium nitrate. As long as the non-involved crowd thinks something is being done, placebo legislation will continue to be the answer post-event panic.

See? Every law has verbiage, and things have to be clearly spelled out. Can't buy a bump stock, but you can still use bump fire techniques. Can't have a fully automatic weapon, but you can still shoot around the same RPM using bump fire on a semi-auto. Cannot manufacture and sell high cap magazines, but you can still sell what you already own. For every law like that, there's an underlying intent and an outcome that doesn't quite satisfy the intent.

Nirvana fallacy.

Yes, why even attempt to make it any bit more difficult for mass murderers.

[ElNono]

It's easy to make ammonium nitrate. As long as the non-involved crowd thinks something is being done, placebo legislation will continue to be the answer post-event panic.

See? Every law has verbiage, and things have to be clearly spelled out. Can't buy a bump stock, but you can still use bump fire techniques. Can't have a fully automatic weapon, but you can still shoot around the same RPM using bump fire on a semi-auto. Cannot manufacture and sell high cap magazines, but you can still sell what you already own. For every law like that, there's an underlying intent and an outcome that doesn't quite satisfy the intent.

Again, placebo would mean that it only addresses psyche but doesn't have a substantive effect otherwise, that's not the case here. It might be easy to make ammonium nitrate, but if you get caught piling it up, you'll be facing real consequences.

What you're trying to say is bad actors can cir vent laws, that's neither here or there. The point is that should they get caught, they'll be facing consequences.

[DMC]

Lol "moving goalpost"

What do you think this thread is about?

Crawl back up Chumpy's asshole, got.

[midnightpulp]

Add jeebo s to that for an explosive combo. The Cons ution and "what the forefathers wanted" has been reduced to "the bible" and "what jesus wanted" pretty much...

And what's mind boggling is that I don't think Jesus would approve of cut throat capitalism, constant wars, a health care system driven by profit, relentless material pursuit, and denying poor immigrants a chance at a better life. That's why I say these people worship "Jebus," a weird bas ization of him that was created by the prosperity gospel and Evangelical movements. What happened to the ascetic Christian vow of poverty, humility, washing the feet of the poor and sick, and all that?

[ElNono]

And what's mind boggling is that I don't think Jesus would approve of cut throat capitalism, constant wars, a health care system driven by profit, relentless material pursuit, and denying poor immigrants a chance at a better life. That's why I say these people worship "Jebus," a weird bas ization of him that was created by the prosperity gospel and Evangelical movements. What happened to the ascetic Christian vow of poverty, humility, washing the feet of the poor and sick, and all that?

I don't care what imaginary people think, tbh. The biggest problem is that everything is interpreted for confirmation bias, and unfortunately social media platforms have thrived on the ignorant.

[Blake]

Crawl back up Chumpy's asshole, got.

If you don't like it, you should leave.

[DMC]

Again, placebo would mean that it only addresses psyche but doesn't have a substantive effect otherwise, that's not the case here. It might be easy to make ammonium nitrate, but if you get caught piling it up, you'll be facing real consequences.

What you're trying to say is bad actors can cir vent laws, that's neither here or there. The point is that should they get caught, they'll be facing consequences.

Here's another example of how placebos are being used.

[Blake]

Here's another example of how placebos are being used.

Red herring

[midnightpulp]

I don't care what imaginary people think, tbh. The biggest problem is that everything is interpreted for confirmation bias, and unfortunately social media platforms have thrived on the ignorant.

Doesn't matter if Jesus is real or imagined. The ideas of Jesus are very real, and those tenets are at direct odds with how so-called "Christians" behave in modern America. I would actually like to see more emulation of Jesus from them.

[baseline bum]

Most gun owners I know who give 2 s about automatic weapons are against bump stocks for a couple reasons. 1. They cheapen the concept of an automatic weapon 2. They aren't required to use that same shooting style, just loop a finger through a belt hole and it works the same way.

Who cares if they cheapen the concept of an automatic weapon? Paddock showed bump stocks were very effective killing machines, so they'd be useful in a guerrilla war against a tyrannical government that's supposed to be the intent behind the second amendment.

[baseline bum]

And what's mind boggling is that I don't think Jesus would approve of cut throat capitalism, constant wars, a health care system driven by profit, relentless material pursuit, and denying poor immigrants a chance at a better life. That's why I say these people worship "Jebus," a weird bas ization of him that was created by the prosperity gospel and Evangelical movements. What happened to the ascetic Christian vow of poverty, humility, washing the feet of the poor and sick, and all that?

Al Franken's Supply Side Jesus bit was brilliant

[DMC]

Who cares if they cheapen the concept of an automatic weapon? Paddock showed bump stocks were very effective killing machines, so they'd be useful in a guerrilla war against a tyrannical government that's supposed to be the intent behind the second amendment.

As the video showed, the stock wasn't required to have bumpfire.

Banning it did not address that.

The gun ignorant crowd is cool with it though, and the gun savvy crowd is glad.

[ElNono]

Here's another example of how placebos are being used.

Sorry, don't generally watch political videos. Do you disagree that actual laws and regulations are not a placebo?

[Blake]

Sorry, don't generally watch political videos. Do you disagree that actual laws and regulations are not a placebo?

I think I've asked DMC that at least a dozen times in these gun control type threads. Maybe you'll have better luck.