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    yeah I understand they didn't make the playoffs from 2000-2016, but it's not like 2017 went anywhere except a worse draft pick and an ugly loss to blake bortles.
    You don’t get it, and you can’t possibly get it unless you were a Bills fan growing up. /thread

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    Exactly right. In old school terms Gronk would be the "Y", but most of today's analysts Edelman would be the "Y" and Gronk would be the "in-line tight end" or something like that. Dorsett in this case is the Z, even with the Miami CB closer to him in press than the other Miami CB is to the X; I can't tell who exactly the X receiver is... Gordon?

    Patriots also used a lot of 2TE formations in the past, especially when they had Hernandez. In that case who truly is the "Y" if you have both (ineligible) offensive tackles covered by in-line tight ends? In that case, one of the TEs would technically be the "X" unless he's lined up in sort of an H-back technique. But that would be awkward.
    its all good

    i think i was just on a roll dunking on you and was having some fun with it tbh

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    its all good

    i think i was just on a roll dunking on you and was having some fun with it tbh
    I don't think it was a slam dunk tbh. You're right that in older/most technical core football terms that "Y" would be a guy lined opposite the other tackle from the "X", exactly on the line of scrimmage; while I'm right that modern day terms there are more practical and less technical uses for X, Y, and Z. And while 4wr/5wr teams like Kingsbury's offense can have multiple of each on the same play.

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    I don't think it was a slam dunk tbh. You're right that in older/most technical core football terms that "Y" would be a guy lined opposite the other tackle from the "X", exactly on the line of scrimmage; while I'm right that modern day terms there are more practical and less technical uses for X, Y, and Z. And while 4wr/5wr teams like Kingsbury's offense can have multiple of each on the same play.
    i still think your player comps have largely been dog , and you were completely wrong on the X/Z thing. the Y is admittedly technical and somewhat pedantic but i was on a roll

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    i still think your player comps have largely been dog , and you were completely wrong on the X/Z thing. the Y is admittedly technical and somewhat pedantic but i was on a roll
    who would you compare jeudy and ruggs to, tbh?

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    who would you compare jeudy and ruggs to, tbh?
    Roberto Clemente and Sean Elliott

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    who would you compare jeudy and ruggs to, tbh?
    Cooper/Ridley for Jeudy

    Santana Moss for Ruggs

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    Cooper/Ridley for Jeudy

    Santana Moss for Ruggs
    there is a huge talent gap between Cooper and Ridley, but I like the Moss comparison tbh.

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    there is a huge talent gap between Cooper and Ridley, but I like the Moss comparison tbh.
    well they're player comps, not necessarily talent comps. that said you usually use notable players in comps because there is some projection involved

    jeudy shows great route running but he's not an explosive athlete, not great catching through contact. not particularly good at going up and getting a contested deep ball.

    the raiders are hoping Ruggs becomes their Tyreek, but Tyreek is so unique that it's an unfair and difficult projection to make.

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    well they're player comps, not necessarily talent comps. that said you usually use notable players in comps because there is some projection involved

    jeudy shows great route running but he's not an explosive athlete, not great catching through contact. not particularly good at going up and getting a contested deep ball.

    the raiders are hoping Ruggs becomes their Tyreek, but Tyreek is so unique that it's an unfair and difficult projection to make.
    Desean Jackson is the OG Tyreek... not sure if there is another one... maybe if Deion Sanders had played offense, but he didn't. Rocket Ismail was that guy for the Cowboys for about a 2 year period in the late 90s before he got hurt and completely fell off the map.

    I think Ruggs might be better off as a slot receiver than a deep threat, I wasn't super impressed by his deep catching ability in college despite his speed.

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    Desean Jackson is the OG Tyreek... not sure if there is another one... maybe if Deion Sanders had played offense, but he didn't. Rocket Ismail was that guy for the Cowboys for about a 2 year period in the late 90s before he got hurt and completely fell off the map.

    I think Ruggs might be better off as a slot receiver than a deep threat, I wasn't super impressed by his deep catching ability in college despite his speed.
    Djax has been the most consistent of this generation. the real OG if you want to get historical is Don Hutson. more contemporary, Cliff Branch in the 70s. steve smith sr is another great one but he was much more all-around.

    there have been other deep threats/speed specialists in recent years, just not as consistent or prolific as D-Jax. Guys like Donte Stallworth, Ashlie Lelei... going back farther the cowboys had Bob Hayes. even in todays game you have guys like Cooks, Hollywood Brown, Will Fuller

    the raiders dont sound like they plan to use Ruggs as just a deep guy, that's not even what he did at Alabama. like i said during the draft, i dont think Ruggs is remotely a Day 1 WR1 type, and it will be up to whichever team drafts him to scheme him properly and get the most use out of it. Gruden has to make it work

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    Djax has been the most consistent of this generation. the real OG if you want to get historical is Don Hutson. more contemporary, Cliff Branch in the 70s. steve smith sr is another great one but he was much more all-around.

    there have been other deep threats/speed specialists in recent years, just not as consistent or prolific as D-Jax. Guys like Donte Stallworth, Ashlie Lelei... going back farther the cowboys had Bob Hayes. even in todays game you have guys like Cooks, Hollywood Brown, Will Fuller

    the raiders dont sound like they plan to use Ruggs as just a deep guy, that's not even what he did at Alabama. like i said during the draft, i dont think Ruggs is remotely a Day 1 WR1 type, and it will be up to whichever team drafts him to scheme him properly and get the most use out of it. Gruden has to make it work
    Yep. Gruden should go WCO with Renfrow and Ruggs on opposite slots and Williams and another bigger guy on the boundaries. Would work great with Carr and make the box / defenses smaller for Jacobs as well. No messing with archaic FB/2TE formation

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