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  1. #101
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    As for the MVP , Barkley also got robbed in 1990 but they gave it to Magic
    Yup. All marketing. Magic won his lifetime achievement awards ahead of Kobe.

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    Stockton was amazing in 88 , he even had 24 assists vs the Lakers and Magic, which is a playoff record to this day (but I could be wrong )
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    Those are Stockton's assist numbers in the 88 series against Earvin's loaded Lakers.

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    Those are Stockton's assist numbers in the 88 series against Earvin's loaded Lakers.
    Tragic Johnson's assist numbers for the same series.

    9
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    16

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    Players overvalue 1v1 capabilities. I rank 2003 Duncan below 2001 Shaq and 1995 Hakeem in pure 1v1 situations. However 2003 Tim's 5v5 capabilities are second to none, that team was NOT supposed to ring. Manu and especially Tony really flourished with Tim because Tim did all the little things that don't show up on stat sheets, like being one of the GOAT screeners, incredibly underrated TEAM defense, and give other players enough shots. Stat padding is extremely misleading, Russell Westbrook despite averaging triple double can not get out of the first round of the playoffs. LeBron despite playing stacked roster for a decade only has 3 rings and was extremely lucky to win 2 of them.

    There is also a leadership aura around Tim that boosts locker room stability and team morale. Hakeem was without a doubt a negative in both. 2 MVP + 3 FMVP > 1 MVP + 2 FMVP. And as much as I hate to say it, I wish Tim was more selfish in 2007 to get at least one more FMVP. He would be top 5 all time soon. Hopefully once stat padders like LeBron retire, people can look at Tim's intangibles and realize how special it is to win 5 rings in a small market that never ringed before, and most likely will not ring again in our life time.

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    Those are Stockton's assist numbers in the 88 series against Earvin's loaded Lakers.
    Tragic Johnson's assist numbers for the same series.

    9
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    16
    Damn good thing Magic had team leader Worthy

  6. #106
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    Damn good thing Magic had team leader Worthy
    1989 MVP Race

    Tragic Johnson 22.5 Pts 12.8 Asts 7.9 Reb 1.8 Stls 0.3 Blks 50.9 FG 31.4 3FG 91.1 FT
    John Stockton 17.1 Pts 13.6 Asts 3.0 Reb 3.2 Stls 0.2 Blks 53.8 FG 23.4 3FG 86.3 FT

    A case could be made that Tragic edged out John for MVP. Especially given that the Lakers finished with the 1 seed and the Jazz finished with the 2 seed.
    Of course, somehow team success didn't matter the previous season when Bird's Celtics got the one seed and Jordan's Bulls finished tied for the 3 seed (and won on tie-breaker with Hawks).
    Despite it being that close, Magic received 42.5 1st place votes. Stockton received 0 first place votes.

    The next season, Stockton beat Tragic 14.5 apg to 11.5 apg. It was also 2.7 SPG to 1.7 SPG. And again Tragic received 26 first place votes and Stockton received none. That season Barkley had 12 more first place votes than Tragic still; and he lost the MVP because two voters left Barkley off their ballots altogether.Stern likely bribed them.

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