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    Bc Baker is a good QB. Not elite or anything but you can win with Baker. Also Jax is about to get Lawerence so that job will look a lot more attractive next year. Also Riverboat Ron will be getting his QB in Fields next year as well. The NFC East is going to start getting compe ive really fast.

    Also every head coach has a huge ego and they all think they can turn a franchise around. They all think they are better than the previous head coach and that their philosophy will work for the team. That’s why Eric might go to Cleveland or Jax. I can see him taking over the Chiefs in 2 years after Andy gets his second ring.

    My point wasn’t about the merit or non merit of coaches but rather the optics. And when you run a business Optics matters a lot. You can’t fire like 4 minority coaches and leave only 3 left. It’s bad optics. Luckily Dan did the smart business move and hired Ron but even that wasn’t enough as other teams were just ting on the Rooney Rule (which I know you hate) but the optics on that looks really bad and brings negative press when none is really needed and can easily be avoided.
    I think Carolina is getting Lawrence. Look at their roster as a whole ----- ghastly. At least Jacksonville still has somewhat of a defense and solid WRs.

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    I don't buy that. You'll have to show me some backup for me to believe that higher income parents are "largely" not paying for their kids college.
    And not just because you know some billionaire's kid who had to take out a loan to go to UNT.
    My Jewish friend from Bank of America had to take out PRIVATE loans (e.g. high interest, unsubsidized loans) because his dad's income was 6 figures and he had 6 siblings (EFC doesn't go down very significantly per extra child/person in household) so not only didn't he qualify for the Texas grant, Pell grant or other grants/scholarships, but he didn't even get offered any Stafford or Perkins Direct Federal Loans (where you don't ac ulate interest until 6 months after graduation if you graduate on time, lower interest to begin with, etc). So he ended up pretty much blowing his first 2 years of salary on student loans and rent despite a starting salary of $70k out of college.

    [Side note: He went to UTD, not UNT, but that shouldn't make a difference.]

    Even red-state Texas is guilty of converting away from traditional merit-based scholarships and moving to exclusively need-based grant award aid (free money). They discontinued the Top 10% state scholarship ($1500-2500 per semester) in 2015 and the Valedictorian tuition waiver in 2017. State schools in Texas are also slashing merit-based (grades/class rank/ACT/SAT based) award aid in favor of more need based aid. As they continue to massively hike rates for tuition, mandatory fees and room and board, meal plans.

    Basically they've almost made it such that the only merit-based reward for succeeding in high school is the admission itself, but who cares about admission when the admission rate is 60-80%? Degrees from such state universities are a dime a dozen. They're better than most private or for-profit schools, but it's not like you're getting a degree from a school where the admissions rate is under 20%.

    They've made it such that post admission, how much you have to pay for school is completely decided on a communist/socialist basis, and if you happen to have upper middle class parents who believe that are old-school and believe that kids should be independent for themselves after graduating high school and "leaving the nest", then you get shafted the worst... and almost all of these kids are white or jewish.

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    some white guys are great DCs but completely have failed as HCs... see Vic Fangio (he's gone after this year), Rod Marinelli in the past, and to an extent Wade Phillips

    oh, and nappy bearded Patricia is on the hot seat as well, and his team is likely to finish last in the division again

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    - Barack Hussein Obama
    - More likely than not born in Hawaii because his mother had no reason to travel to Kenya, but
    - "Official" original birth certificate took months to be produced, with font that had not yet been invented at the time of his birth;
    - Probably the first bas to become US President
    - No stable family situation in childhood, unlike all past US Presidents
    - Part of marijuana stoner club in youth days in Hawaii
    - ACORN ties... vote early, vote often!
    - Friends with radical-left terrorist Bill Ayers
    - Converted to Christianity by Jeremiah Wright... "it's not god bless America, it's GOD DAMN AMERICA!!"
    - Was born and raised atheist, not Christian... his mother was atheist but had an unhealthy affinity for Islam, based on the men with whom she dated and procreated

    Definitely not the "model" first black president... ideally should have been an intellectual black person with an American name and fully African American, with a solid family upbringing, not mixed race or with a Muslim father directly from Kenya that wasn't in the picture.
    lol andy this is just silly

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    I think Carolina is getting Lawrence. Look at their roster as a whole ----- ghastly. At least Jacksonville still has somewhat of a defense and solid WRs.
    I think it’s Jax or Detroit. If it’s Detroit then Stanford will be available and poor Dak will no longer be a Cowboy. The dude should be thanking his lucky stars he’s offered a long term contract bc there will be comparable QBs out there that will be available to Dallas in the future. Dude needs to fire his agent

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    I think it’s Jax or Detroit. If it’s Detroit then Stanford will be available and poor Dak will no longer be a Cowboy. The dude should be thanking his lucky stars he’s offered a long term contract bc there will be comparable QBs out there that will be available to Dallas in the future. Dude needs to fire his agent
    if Stafford is healthy this year, Detroit will win at least 4-5 games minimum, even in a crowded division and conference

    if Stafford isn't healthy this year... then he wouldn't be worth much anyways, since he was out most of last year too.

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    My Jewish friend from Bank of America had to take out PRIVATE loans (e.g. high interest, unsubsidized loans) because his dad's income was 6 figures and he had 6 siblings (EFC doesn't go down very significantly per extra child/person in household) so not only didn't he qualify for the Texas grant, Pell grant or other grants/scholarships, but he didn't even get offered any Stafford or Perkins Direct Federal Loans (where you don't ac ulate interest until 6 months after graduation if you graduate on time, lower interest to begin with, etc). So he ended up pretty much blowing his first 2 years of salary on student loans and rent despite a starting salary of $70k out of college.

    [Side note: He went to UTD, not UNT, but that shouldn't make a difference.]

    Even red-state Texas is guilty of converting away from traditional merit-based scholarships and moving to exclusively need-based grant award aid (free money). They discontinued the Top 10% state scholarship ($1500-2500 per semester) in 2015 and the Valedictorian tuition waiver in 2017. State schools in Texas are also slashing merit-based (grades/class rank/ACT/SAT based) award aid in favor of more need based aid. As they continue to massively hike rates for tuition, mandatory fees and room and board, meal plans.

    Basically they've almost made it such that the only merit-based reward for succeeding in high school is the admission itself, but who cares about admission when the admission rate is 60-80%? Degrees from such state universities are a dime a dozen. They're better than most private or for-profit schools, but it's not like you're getting a degree from a school where the admissions rate is under 20%.

    They've made it such that post admission, how much you have to pay for school is completely decided on a communist/socialist basis, and if you happen to have upper middle class parents who believe that are old-school and believe that kids should be independent for themselves after graduating high school and "leaving the nest", then you get shafted the worst... and almost all of these kids are white or jewish.
    Ah...so your theory is once again based on someone you know.

    If we're going by personal contacts, then every high income person I know that is about to put a kid in college is paying for college. Most of those went to college themselves so they perceive college as the best way to ensure future income.
    To say that "high income parents" are "largely" not paying for their kids education is ing ridiculous.

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    In my experience when I was hiring people AA creates a negative stigma around hiring minorities. It leads to the subconscious mindset of “Well we’re not being asked to fill a diversity quota this time better hire someone white while we have the chance!” For the minorities who do get hired it also creates a hurdle they need to get over because the minute they don’t do something right the reaction is “Wonder how many more qualified white people were passed over for this job.”
    mike tomlin only got his job because of the rooney rule. he was supposed to be a throwaway interview. i think he's grateful to have gotten that opportunity.

    if the market has a clear bias (i dont know how it specifically relates to the NFL but we know business at large will discriminate against black applicants), i dont think white peoples concern of "oh they were probably unqualified) matters a lot less than keeping the unjust practice status quo in place

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    mike tomlin only got his job because of the rooney rule. he was supposed to be a throwaway interview. i think he's grateful to have gotten that opportunity.

    if the market has a clear bias (i dont know how it specifically relates to the NFL but we know business at large will discriminate against black applicants), i dont think white peoples concern of "oh they were probably unqualified) matters a lot less than keeping the unjust practice status quo in place
    then again, Tomlin is a Mark Jackson (NBA) clone, he's kept his job because a) he won a le early on [with the most talented roster in the league], and b) the team has been able to win or at least hover around .500 throughout his tenure, largely due to talent and luck.

    it's not like the NBA where if you're a perennial playoff pretender you'll eventually get the axe. Playoffs are not taken for granted in the NFL (Not For Long) league.

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    then again, Tomlin is a Mark Jackson (NBA) clone, he's kept his job because a) he won a le early on [with the most talented roster in the league], and b) the team has been able to win or at least hover around .500 throughout his tenure, largely due to talent and luck.

    it's not like the NBA where if you're a perennial playoff pretender you'll eventually get the axe. Playoffs are not taken for granted in the NFL (Not For Long) league.
    he has all my respect for handling AB as long as he did while maintaining a good team structure. the steelers are perennial contenders (except when Ben missed the whole season). tomlin is 125-66-1. he hasn't had a single losing season in over a decade as head coach

    people underestimate stability/consistency quite a bit.

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    he has all my respect for handling AB as long as he did while maintaining a good team structure. the steelers are perennial contenders (except when Ben missed the whole season). tomlin is 125-66-1. he hasn't had a single losing season in over a decade as head coach

    people underestimate stability/consistency quite a bit.
    for the most part agreed, but they've also pretty consistently had a top 10 QB, top 10 OL and top 10 defense almost every year of his tenure. while they've had to manage the mercurial nature of, and eventual loss of, star talented skill players, they've been able to weather the storm with solid roster management up and down the roster.

    I'm not saying he's done a bad job; I'm saying a lot of people could do that good of a job with what he's had to work with. The Steelers since their inception have been a top 5 run organization in the league and they have the les to show for it. Tomlin is just a brick in the wall.

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    for the most part agreed, but they've also pretty consistently had a top 10 QB, top 10 OL and top 10 defense almost every year of his tenure. while they've had to manage the mercurial nature of, and eventual loss of, star talented skill players, they've been able to weather the storm with solid roster management up and down the roster.

    I'm not saying he's done a bad job; I'm saying a lot of people could do that good of a job with what he's had to work with. The Steelers since their inception have been a top 5 run organization in the league and they have the les to show for it. Tomlin is just a brick in the wall.
    their OL has been great in recent years... but there were times that their OL was among the league worst and ben was getting killed back there. they were perennially awful in the early 2010's

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    their OL has been great in recent years... but there were times that their OL was among the league worst and ben was getting killed back there. they were perennially awful in the early 2010's
    yeah it was the reason they were a middling team in 2012 and 2013 despite having the #2 defense behind seattle each year. that, and lack of talent at skill position. Their fortunes really changed when Bell and Brown emerged in 2014.

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    LOL Great Idea.. So now it goes 100% the other way, and no white coaches even get looked at..

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    i do not understand this type of mentality
    Social Justice Warriors trying to wreck the planet..

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    LOL Great Idea.. So now it goes 100% the other way, and no white coaches even get looked at..
    oh yeah im sure teams are going to stop hiring white coaches

    almost all new head coaches are coming of stints as offensive/defensive coordinators, and almost all of those in today's NFL are white too. whitey will be just fine

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    oh yeah im sure teams are going to stop hiring white coaches

    almost all new head coaches are coming of stints as offensive/defensive coordinators, and almost all of those in today's NFL are white too. whitey will be just fine
    as the owner, I'd take the extra draft pick tbh

    If I can get all the way from #17 to #1 and draft Trevor Lawrence by hiring an all-black staff? Of course I'd do it.

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    If I can get all the way from #17 to #1 and draft Trevor Lawrence by hiring an all-black staff? Of course I'd do it.

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    I would stop watching, tbh.
    Hard to say for sure. I'd probably stick around at least for the interim if the Vikes were in contention.

    I could see myself going much more fair weather though. And the NFL does lose money when that's the trend.

    The one thing I'd point at is that I stopped watching college football for about a decade after the last time Boise State was froze out of the championship despite their undefeated season.

    I'm not looking to be a fan martyr, but there's only so much lame politics I'll accept before I walk away.

    And again, the only thing that keeps me otherwise is if I'm into a certain team enough. I probably would've walked away from the NBA circa early 2010's if not for the Spurs.

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    &, half of them would be out the door by the next spring

    #LEFTWINGLOOPHOLEZ

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    also... for those of you who say white coaches get unfairly long tenure that black coaches don't get to enjoy, here's a hum-dinger for all of y'all liberals:

    Marvin
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    ew0is

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    marvin lewis was a very good coach tbh, actually quite underrated on this board

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    marvin lewis was a very good coach tbh, actually quite underrated on this board
    0-7 is just extremely laughable. He'll never be able to live that down. With 16 years of Jason Garrett clone, it's remarkable that they didn't have to relocate considering they're a small market franchise with a high school level team facility.

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    oh yeah im sure teams are going to stop hiring white coaches

    almost all new head coaches are coming of stints as offensive/defensive coordinators, and almost all of those in today's NFL are white too. whitey will be just fine
    No way man, the Patriots are gonna dump Bill Belichick so they can move up 10 slots in the 3rd round!

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    MM/Andy always manages to turn every thread into a dumpster fire. Re .

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