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    no doubt it would be easier. since my gripe doesnt have anything to do with the fact that they're killed, the meat vs dairy product distinction isn't really there.

    im going to go step by step taking things out of my diet until it starts becoming unfeasible. my issue is there's a lot of fruit/vegetable products that i simply cant eat. not because of dietary restrictions or allergies per se, but because they just repulse me (eggplants, zucchini, avocado, mushrooms, most berries, raw tomatoes, off the top of my head). its not even a matter of "hmm i'd prefer not to have eggplants" but rather that its probably gag reflex inducing if i eat some of this stuff.

    i'm essentially going to eliminate, or at the very least reduce as much as i reasonably can. whether i cut my consumption down to 0% or 5%, thats still something significant in my eyes. i'll see how far i can take it, starting with the meats, which should be the easiest, and working my way through dairy products as much as i can.


    just checked out their website, looks pretty great! thanks for the rec

    this looks outstanding

    https://www.thugkitchen.com/recipes/...ean-enchiladas
    The great news is there are so many legitimate great subs utes for all the food you like.

    You literally can eat the same things: Thai, Italian, burgers, BLT, eggs, Mexican.

    You just take out the meat (and some things like lasagne need no subs ute for meat in them to still be great) and sub in other things that very closely approximate why you’re eating the meat.

    Try benevolent bacon - it’s awesome. Tons of veggie chorizo as well. Tofu is very versatile and can be cooked so many ways (grilled, or baked, can add liquid smoke, etc).

    Impossible Burger is amazing too.

    There’s so much stuff. But no matter what you like to eat there’s a great recipe for it vegetarian style

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    And yeah now there’s so much great frozen or pre made foods if you’re a lazy cook (like me lol) where you can’t go wrong.

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    Looks delicious

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    You might want to just save yourself some time and pain and just get something for your low t, Lite.

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    b12 and d3 aren't available in plants, and some other vitamins and minerals are way less bioavailable in plants (like iron), so you would need to do some research on which supplements to take.

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    Exploring Veganism

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    You might want to just save yourself some time and pain and just get something for your low t, Lite.
    All the same, I hope it goes well for you, Lite. There's enough killing in this world.

    I know I stopped eating gyro when I learned how muzzies brutally kill the animals.

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    I’ve continued eating fish and chicken... but I’m still trying to get a better understanding of whether “pasture raised” is actually significant. From my understanding cage free basically doesn’t mean because they are still kept confined in tight quarters, usually indoors, while pasture free allows for more roaming.

    but since I’ve started, I’ve had no red meat, and no dairy items with the exception of eggs. Cashew cheese and almond milk have been just fine. Plant based ground meat subs utes and sausages have also worked out so far. Heck I’ve even found plant based cream cheese subs ute as well as butter. Slightly more expensive than the dairy versions but nothing prohibitive.

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    So what's the deal on eggs? I know some vegans who won't eat eggs because they're animal lovers.
    But chickens that aren't impregnated by a rooster still lay eggs. They just won't turn into baby chickens.

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    There’s so much stuff. But no matter what you like to eat there’s a great recipe for it vegetarian style
    I like fish too much I think. I can't imagine there's a decent subs ute for grilled salmon.

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    but since I’ve started, I’ve had no red meat, and no dairy items with the exception of eggs. Cashew cheese and almond milk have been just fine. Plant based ground meat subs utes and sausages have also worked out so far. Heck I’ve even found plant based cream cheese subs ute as well as butter. Slightly more expensive than the dairy versions but nothing prohibitive.
    As unhealthy as processed meat and lunchmeat is, I'm sure those plant-based "subs utes" have even more toxins and carcinogens tbh.

    I can't imagine how many toxins are made into the "Impossible Whopper". I did eat one in February. It tasted like a mix of beef and black beans, wasn't terrible. Wouldn't get it again though.

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    As unhealthy as processed meat and lunchmeat is, I'm sure those plant-based "subs utes" have even more toxins and carcinogens tbh.

    I can't imagine how many toxins are made into the "Impossible Whopper". I did eat one in February. It tasted like a mix of beef and black beans, wasn't terrible. Wouldn't get it again though.
    you're right, they aren't great, but they also aren't part of my regular daily diet or anything like that. still preferable to meat, though.

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    you're right, they aren't great, but they also aren't part of my regular daily diet or anything like that. still preferable to meat, though.
    In what way? Are you fat-intolerant (lipase deficiency)?

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    In what way? Are you fat-intolerant (lipase deficiency)?
    preferable in that it does not contain meat, given my goals

    no cholesterol either

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    preferable in that it does not contain meat, given my goals

    no cholesterol either
    The lack of cholesterol is good, but what goals are you referring to? Weight loss, heart related etc? I'm not sure if eliminating meat is priority over eliminating simple and white carbs.

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    The lack of cholesterol is good, but what goals are you referring to? Weight loss, heart related etc? I'm not sure if eliminating meat is priority over eliminating simple and white carbs.
    not eating factory farmed animal products

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    The lack of cholesterol is good, but what goals are you referring to? Weight loss, heart related etc? I'm not sure if eliminating meat is priority over eliminating simple and white carbs.
    100%. From a health standpoint, cutting out carbs and sugar is a must.

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    As unhealthy as processed meat and lunchmeat is, I'm sure those plant-based "subs utes" have even more toxins and carcinogens tbh.

    I can't imagine how many toxins are made into the "Impossible Whopper". I did eat one in February. It tasted like a mix of beef and black beans, wasn't terrible. Wouldn't get it again though.
    And I actually agree with this. I think a lot of people are going to jump on board corporate versions of vegan and consume ingredients that are just as harmful as what you'd find in processed meat.

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    not eating factory farmed animal products
    But how does that really factor in health or taste wise? That's all that really matters.

    1. Health
    2. Taste
    3. Price

    probably in that order.. Anything else is weak.

    Doing it for "cause" alone is submitting to the scam.

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    And I actually agree with this. I think a lot of people are going to jump on board corporate versions of vegan and consume ingredients that are just as harmful as what you'd find in processed meat.
    Exactly, it's a problem. When consuming less meat is done for pragmatic and practical reasons, such as health and affordability, I'm fine with it. When veganism becomes a religion due to scams from radical hipsters and Leftists like AOC (who eats hamburgers by the way; what a hypocrite)... it's a societal problem and a sign that it's a scam that has gone too far.

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    But how does that really factor in health or taste wise? That's all that really matters.

    1. Health
    2. Taste
    3. Price

    probably in that order.. Anything else is weak.

    Doing it for "cause" alone is submitting to the scam.
    disagree with all this. thanks

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    100%. From a health standpoint, cutting out carbs and sugar is a must.
    Eh, I wouldn't say ALL carbs are bad. Definitely limit sugar and amylopectin (white starch) intake. But fiber is technically a carb and it has net-zero calories and helps you poop which is always a good thing and preserves your digestive health. And complex darker carbs like those in beans and vegetables are fine.

    I eat a Greek-esque salad about every other day. With all natural ingredients: spring mix, chopped onions, chopped red onions, 3 kinds of olives, banana peppers and feta cheese (thus it's vegetarian but not vegan). I think vegetarianism in some lights can be pragmatic, but diehard veganism is a social scam and counter-productive to your health.

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