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    Is anybody here a practicing vegan/vegetarian?

    While I absolutely love the taste of meat (my favorite meal is a good rib-eye steak), cheese, etc., I've gotten to a point where I'm struggling to cope with the reality that is factory farming, and don't think I can continue my meat-eating habits in good conscience, tbh.

    I know it's unrealistic to go vegan cold-turkey (no pun intended), but what are some realistic diet subs utes aside from the obvious such as Almond/Soy instead of cow milk, vegetable/olive oil instead of buttter, adding more beans/legumes to my diet.

    I'm talking things like cheese, eggs, etc.

    I do think that as long as I'm mindful of the source, there can be justification for buying chicken products if they are free-range or acquired from specific farms/providers, but that's not something I've necessarily made my mind on. I'm much less confident that I can make similar justifications for beef products, let alone pork.

    Any suggestions would be appreciated.

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    Suggestion: Eat your meat.

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    Almond milk is good but a grown ass man shouldn’t drink any soy milk unless he’s trying to grow s.

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    Almond milk is good but a grown ass man shouldn’t drink any soy milk unless he’s trying to grow s.


    already preferred the taste of almond milk between the two

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    already preferred the taste of almond milk between the two
    Iirc almonds are actually good for testosterone levels too, as oppose to soy which is near the top of every health expert list of foods that jack up estrogen levels in men.

    Setting aside obvious reasons for why testosterone levels are important, the best way for me to boost their metabolism and not put on fat is high testosterone levels.

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    Almond milk is good but a grown ass man shouldn’t drink any soy milk unless he’s trying to grow s.
    In which case he's a gay man and not a grown ass man.

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    Suggestion: Eat your meat.
    Or you can’t have any pudding

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    OP turning into a beta soy boy tbh

    only meat probably eats is johnson

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    OP turning into a beta soy boy tbh

    only meat probably eats is johnson
    Says the incel virgin

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    Is anybody here a practicing vegan/vegetarian?

    While I absolutely love the taste of meat (my favorite meal is a good rib-eye steak), cheese, etc., I've gotten to a point where I'm struggling to cope with the reality that is factory farming, and don't think I can continue my meat-eating habits in good conscience, tbh.

    I know it's unrealistic to go vegan cold-turkey (no pun intended), but what are some realistic diet subs utes aside from the obvious such as Almond/Soy instead of cow milk, vegetable/olive oil instead of buttter, adding more beans/legumes to my diet.

    I'm talking things like cheese, eggs, etc.

    I do think that as long as I'm mindful of the source, there can be justification for buying chicken products if they are free-range or acquired from specific farms/providers, but that's not something I've necessarily made my mind on. I'm much less confident that I can make similar justifications for beef products, let alone pork.

    Any suggestions would be appreciated.
    All the Just brand products are really good egg subs utes. The mayo and cookie doughs are great, and they have a scrambled egg subs ute that cooks and tastes close to real eggs. It’s expensive as compared to real eggs, but I guess that’s to be expected. I found out about the scrambled eggs back in March when people panicked and cleaned out the grocery stores, and it was the only thing left in the egg section

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    Says the incel virgin
    And proud of it tbh. No one is good enough for me.

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    Vegan is tough for me. My wife has been vegetarian for like 10 years with some bouts of veganism in between. By default, I would say my diet is like 70% vegetarian because of that.

    We never buy meat or keep it in the house, but if we go out to eat and I want some, that is what I order. It’s a great balance for me and not because of philosophical reasons, just because I’ve never been THAT into meat (I love seafood though).

    She tried making her own cheese from cashews (cashew milk/coconut milk are also good like almond milk) but it’s just tiring. Obviously if you have money you can easily buy vegan products and do just fine. But for me the jump from vegetarian to vegan was not worth it (not sure about impacts on the environment though regarding that jump).

    If there are no philosophical reasons you can see to go vegan, my advice would just be vegetarian and like you said mix in things you are cool with (free range eggs, humanely produced cheeses/milk products, fish every once in a while).

    So much easier and accomplishes many of the same goals I would imagine. But I can tell you tons of great vegetarian options. Great cookbooks, products I like etc...

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    Vegan is tough for me. My wife has been vegetarian for like 10 years with some bouts of veganism in between. By default, I would say my diet is like 70% vegetarian because of that.

    We never buy meat or keep it in the house, but if we go out to eat and I want some, that is what I order. It’s a great balance for me and not because of philosophical reasons, just because I’ve never been THAT into meat (I love seafood though).

    She tried making her own cheese from cashews (cashew milk/coconut milk are also good like almond milk) but it’s just tiring. Obviously if you have money you can easily buy vegan products and do just fine. But for me the jump from vegetarian to vegan was not worth it (not sure about impacts on the environment though regarding that jump).

    If there are no philosophical reasons
    you can see to go vegan, my advice would just be vegetarian and like you said mix in things you are cool with (free range eggs, humanely produced cheeses/milk products, fish every once in a while).

    So much easier and accomplishes many of the same goals I would imagine. But I can tell you tons of great vegetarian options. Great cookbooks, products I like etc...
    doing it for "philosophical" reasons is gotry

    only time I don't shun veg(etari)anism is when it's for medical reasons, such as someone with a bad heart condition, and/or serious issues with cholesterol and saturated fat tbh.

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    Vegan is tough for me. My wife has been vegetarian for like 10 years with some bouts of veganism in between. By default, I would say my diet is like 70% vegetarian because of that.

    We never buy meat or keep it in the house, but if we go out to eat and I want some, that is what I order. Itís a great balance for me and not because of philosophical reasons, just because Iíve never been THAT into meat (I love seafood though).

    She tried making her own cheese from cashews (cashew milk/coconut milk are also good like almond milk) but itís just tiring. Obviously if you have money you can easily buy vegan products and do just fine. But for me the jump from vegetarian to vegan was not worth it (not sure about impacts on the environment though regarding that jump).

    If there are no philosophical reasons you can see to go vegan, my advice would just be vegetarian and like you said mix in things you are cool with (free range eggs, humanely produced cheeses/milk products, fish every once in a while).

    So much easier and accomplishes many of the same goals I would imagine. But I can tell you tons of great vegetarian options. Great cookbooks, products I like etc...
    I love meats, all of it. Beef, pork, chicken, fish... itís basically philosophical with me. I donít care about fish so much because they are captured and killed. Thatís different than factory farming (pork, beef, and often times chickens). Iíve long known that i couldnít really justify it, but basically ignored it out of convenience and preference. the thought has crept up on me, though.

    I think the only exception id make is if Iím invited to a dinner, family or otherwise, and thatís whatís being served. But i donít think Iím buying meat anymore or ordering at restaurants.

    Iím not morally opposed to the concept of eating animals at all. I donít think an animals life is inherently as valuable as a humanís. Really comes down to the methods involved in factory farming, where i think there is more abuse and suffering than can be justified by my taste bud preferences. For some, dietary restrictions and underlying health/nutritional conditions might make it impractical to avoid meat. For some they might not be able to afford feeding their family otherwise. And in many areas of the world there isnít really the infrastructure to be selective about diet choices.

    None of those exceptions apply to me at the moment, which is what Iíve really been grappling with.

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    If morality is the thing and you saw the vids about how we turn resources into delicious product, please watch some vids on the labor conditions of 3rd world manufacturing plants.

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    If morality is the thing and you saw the vids about how we turn resources into delicious product, please watch some vids on the labor conditions of 3rd world manufacturing plants.
    completely honest, didnt even watch any videos. at least not recently at all. i was already aware of what was happening, so it wasnt some "oh my god i didnt know this was happening" emotional swing that got me to where i am.

    i had put off reading too much about the subject because i pretty much knew that if i put more thought into it, i'd reach this conclusion, and i really dont want to give up beef/pork/dairy.

    but then i started reading, listening to speakers on the subject. the discussion below is likely what put me over the edge. was pretty painful watching dillahunty make all sorts of mental contortions/gymnastics to justify his position, and it really was "ends justify the means." he just really wants to keep eating meat and his bending his argument around that, which is pretty striking given his tone on subjects he more regularly discuses.

    the environmental aspects are an added bonus, but was not really part of my active thought process (though in other threads on the subject i did say that we need to massively decrease production of beef/pork and that i think that will be inevitable, at least in areas/countries where it is feasible)


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    Familiarize yourself with Thai recipes; plenty of delicious vegan rolls, noodle, and rice dishes. I could never give up meat but damn I love myself some good Thai food.

    https://www.connoisseurusveg.com/vegan-thai-recipes/

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    Suggestion: Eat your meat.
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    Is anybody here a practicing vegan/vegetarian?

    While I absolutely love the taste of meat (my favorite meal is a good rib-eye steak), cheese, etc., I've gotten to a point where I'm struggling to cope with the reality that is factory farming, and don't think I can continue my meat-eating habits in good conscience, tbh.

    I know it's unrealistic to go vegan cold-turkey (no pun intended), but what are some realistic diet subs utes aside from the obvious such as Almond/Soy instead of cow milk, vegetable/olive oil instead of buttter, adding more beans/legumes to my diet.

    I'm talking things like cheese, eggs, etc.

    I do think that as long as I'm mindful of the source, there can be justification for buying chicken products if they are free-range or acquired from specific farms/providers, but that's not something I've necessarily made my mind on. I'm much less confident that I can make similar justifications for beef products, let alone pork.

    Any suggestions would be appreciated.
    Learn to hunt and fish. You'll have fresh meat and you won't have relied on someone else to raise and kill bessie.

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    McDonalds makes a soy burger that is to die for.

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    I love meats, all of it. Beef, pork, chicken, fish... itís basically philosophical with me. I donít care about fish so much because they are captured and killed. Thatís different than factory farming (pork, beef, and often times chickens). Iíve long known that i couldnít really justify it, but basically ignored it out of convenience and preference. the thought has crept up on me, though.

    I think the only exception id make is if Iím invited to a dinner, family or otherwise, and thatís whatís being served. But i donít think Iím buying meat anymore or ordering at restaurants.

    Iím not morally opposed to the concept of eating animals at all. I donít think an animals life is inherently as valuable as a humanís. Really comes down to the methods involved in factory farming, where i think there is more abuse and suffering than can be justified by my taste bud preferences. For some, dietary restrictions and underlying health/nutritional conditions might make it impractical to avoid meat. For some they might not be able to afford feeding their family otherwise. And in many areas of the world there isnít really the infrastructure to be selective about diet choices.

    None of those exceptions apply to me at the moment, which is what Iíve really been grappling with.
    Makes sense. But the big question I canít answer is if vegan v vegetarian accomplished the same goal for you? If so, vegetarian is way easier. Way easier.

    Let me know if I can help!

    100% can tell you to buy the cookbook Thug Kitchen. Itís incredible.

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    Makes sense. But the big question I canít answer is if vegan v vegetarian accomplished the same goal for you? If so, vegetarian is way easier. Way easier.
    no doubt it would be easier. since my gripe doesnt have anything to do with the fact that they're killed, the meat vs dairy product distinction isn't really there.

    im going to go step by step taking things out of my diet until it starts becoming unfeasible. my issue is there's a lot of fruit/vegetable products that i simply cant eat. not because of dietary restrictions or allergies per se, but because they just repulse me (eggplants, zucchini, avocado, mushrooms, most berries, raw tomatoes, off the top of my head). its not even a matter of "hmm i'd prefer not to have eggplants" but rather that its probably gag reflex inducing if i eat some of this stuff.

    i'm essentially going to eliminate, or at the very least reduce as much as i reasonably can. whether i cut my consumption down to 0% or 5%, thats still something significant in my eyes. i'll see how far i can take it, starting with the meats, which should be the easiest, and working my way through dairy products as much as i can.

    Let me know if I can help!

    100% can tell you to buy the cookbook Thug Kitchen. Itís incredible.
    just checked out their website, looks pretty great! thanks for the rec

    this looks outstanding

    https://www.thugkitchen.com/recipes/...ean-enchiladas

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    Makes sense. But the big question I can’t answer is if vegan v vegetarian accomplished the same goal for you? If so, vegetarian is way easier. Way easier.

    Let me know if I can help!

    100% can tell you to buy the cookbook Thug Kitchen. It’s incredible.
    at "Thug Kitchen" - that's a brilliant ing idea tbh

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