not enough PPP to compensate them for Trash's Man-Made Pandemic
not enough $600/week for 13 weeks, either
600 x 13 x let's say 20M = $156B. (worries Moscow Mitch about the debt)
tax break for "paper losses" for r/e investors in first stimulus bill? $170B ("no worries" for Moscow Mitch about the debt)
Doesn't matter. Choose A or B.
A) Reopen economy
B) Keep it closed for Covid
If you're gong to about jobs, then about someone wanting to reopen economy, you're just wanting to .
Bull , both are Trump's fault. Had he ramped up testing and contact tracing in January like South Korea did we could have kept the economy open like they have. They never had to shut down and their deaths per population are roughly 1/32 of ours.
Open it back up for most business
Some no most yes
End of issue
Regardless who's fault it is, you have to do one or the other. Both have consequences.
You're cheerleading for open right now and peoples' lives, correct?
No I think opening is a bad idea since we aren't as segregated as the state results have us believe. But with that comes the reality of being closed - joblessness for many.
False dilemma.
Public health officials broadly agree on a phased reopening based on roughly three factors:
-- Persistent declining caseloads (14 days straight)
-- the widespread availability of testing (est. three times
the present capacity)
-- contact tracing to contain subsequent outbreaks.
Supposing the USG does continue to seize testing materials, estimates that most parts of the country can start reopening in 1-3 months should be attainable.
Another reason the dilemma you pose is false is that declaring businesses open will not magically bring customers and workers back during a pandemic. The economy won't revive until people have confidence we have COVID-19 under control and that shopping and working are reasonably safe.
You say "false dilemma" then give reopening as one of the options.
So what's the other options besides reopening and not reopening?
C) UBI
No . Who is going to movie theaters and sitting in restaurants in the middle of pandemic? Probably s restaurant owners and movie theater owners even more because now they won't be able to get business interruption insurance claims paid if they're able to open.
It's a false dilemma because your first option is a strawman, to my knowledge no one has proposed an indefinite lockdown; and because reopening is a hybrid process that partakes of lockdown and social distancing.
Another option is reclosing. It'll be the thing to do if COVID-19 re-flares and we can't contain it.
Why will it be the thing America does in that situation? Trump already got his corporate bailout.
To protect life and health, like we're doing now.
Trump will just say the cure is worse than the disease, or whatever other quote he picks up on Fox News the night before.
UBI is a suggested treatment. Why would you need UBI if the economy was open?
What's the 3rd option.. you called it a false dilemma.
Phases of closing, phases of opening. Technically the economy is always partially open ergo always partially closed, but you're still tap dancing trying to find another option.
Open economy
Close economy
Doing either in stages doesn't change the fact they are still the two choices.
How is reclosing another option if it's currently closed? The thread is about job losses. How does anything you said avoid job losses?
If you're going to object, have a better defense.
Now you're tap dancing and splitting hairs.
You were so certain about your "false dilemma" objection but have stammered in your responses and now you're off the road.
It should be easy to point out the other options but you chose UBI and partial opening.. then you said "reclosing".
Opening and closing. Two choices. UBI is only a payment.
Very insightful. That's exactly what we're already doing.
You can't keep your posters straight, I said nothing about UBI.
They way you lot interweave responses and jump in and out of discussions creates a bit of chaos so I apologize for that one.
But taking away that, you still offered open or close, in phases. That's the same choices I offered, open or close.
Sorry, that's not an option. No one is going to give you a base income for being you.
Are you teleworking ducks?
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