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They did.
Now do teachers
They did.
U can't read?
Teachers infecting teachers.
Remove kids from the equation as obviously they are virusless bags of meat.
Now do teachers.
It's what you asked for. Now here's where you'll move the goalpostat that being your takeaway from that article
They haven't gotten around to studying the recent daycare outbreaks here tho
My position has never changed. Kids pose almost zero risk in passing on the virus to other kids or teachers. Kids face more danger in both mental and physical health from being held out of schools compared to the dangers of the virus. I’ve supported my position with articles and studies from around the world from pediatricians and child psychologists. You’ve yet to make your case.
If all Texas classrooms will look like this, I am all for reopening every school.
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Stacia Kelly
July 10 at 9:27 PM
In March, our entire family became sick with COVID-like symptoms. Our oldest son started with fever, sore throat, nausea, headache and mild cough. Within 48 hours, all 5 of us were sick.
Our 8 year old was last to start with symptoms and his case was the most mild of all of ours. If it hadn’t been for the entire family being sick and the threat of COVID, I wouldn’t have even called the pediatrician.
We waited until day 7 to have him tested. He was the only one of us still sick. He tested negative for both flu and COVID. We figured it was just a case of bad luck and a nasty virus and waited for it to pass.
On day 14, I urged our 8 year old to come for a walk with me. He’d been in bed for two weeks and I thought he’d feel better if he got up and started moving a little. We got 3 blocks into our walk and my soccer playing, American ninja loving, constantly moving boy asked to go home because he was tired. He wasn’t even sure if he could make it the 3 blocks back to the house. He had to sit on the curb. When we did get home, I called the pediatrician again.
Today is July 10th and it marks day 108 for our boy.
He runs a fever every day.
We have blackout curtains and extra blankets hung on his windows because sometimes his head hurts so bad that any splinter of light feels like a knife.
He has lost 10 pounds and now takes medication to keep his appe e up and drinks Orgain for calories.
He has muscle pain and aches.
He feels like he will pass out if we try a bike ride or walk on a trail near our house.
He climbs in the pool with his brothers for a few minutes
but then gets chills and crawls back under the blankets in his room until he’s warm again.
He gets nauseous being in the car for any duration.
He’s exhausted.
All of the time. But he has trouble sleeping because he feels so awful.
He’s 8 and doesn’t have enough energy to play outside, ride his bike, read a book or stand up for too long.
He’s been through an onslaught of tests, lab work and procedures to rule out pretty much anything that could possibly cause these symptoms for this long. Every single test has come back normal.
His chest xray gave the only clue- peribronchial thickening indicative of COVID.
He barely had a cough.
I write this because I’m sick of hearing people complain about wearing a mask or rattle off a talking point about children not being effected by COVID.
It’s true that children are not dying at a high rate. What’s not true is that children have not died.
And what is also categorically false is that children are not effected.
I’m seeing it with my own eyes.
We don’t know if our son’s illness will last another week or if this is now a chronic condition. No one can tell us. No one has the answers.
The truth is, we don’t know what this disease does yet. We have only just begun to understand how COVID-19 acts in the early phases.
We are clueless as to what this virus does to our bodies, and our children’s bodies in the long run.
So, please.
Stay home if you’re able.
Don’t go to Disney when it opens.
Don’t throw birthday parties and invite all the friends.
Don’t follow the advice of politicians.
Wear a freaking mask.
These are not hard things.
You can do it. I believe in you.
There’s an 8 year old in Florida that has been in bed for 108 days and he believes in you too.
EDITED TO ADD:
1. For those asking what they can do, all we ask is that you follow CDC recommendations and take precautions to slow community spread.
2. For those inquiring about other diagnoses, we have been through complete work ups for 100s of other potential causes and are very confident in our team of doctors and health care providers.
3. For those confused about a negative COVID test result but evidence of the virus on radiological findings, I'd encourage you to do some digging on your own.
False negatives are not all that uncommon and the pediatric population has not been widely tested in the US.
He was tested once in March, 7 days after his fever began and when the test was negative, COVID was tabled and the specialists moved on to ruling out other causes- as was appropriate.
Once all of those potential causes were ruled out through EXTENSIVE testing (cancer, mono, bartonella, fever syndromes, autoimmune disorders, other infections, PANS, Lyme etc), we've come back to the original thought and luckily
more and more data is coming out regarding this type of pediatric inflammatory response post COVID.
Our family thanks you all for the support and well wishes. We are reading them all.
do you have an own take here?
Dont forget the buses. I believe they will only allow 8 students per busIf all Texas classrooms will look like this, I am all for reopening every school.
Im also all for that
Damn that'll take forever to get kids to class
Oh hey a goalpost move, mixed with strawmen and confirmation bias. No way!
HHS taking over pandemic data is obviously a bat faith move
Trash and HHS lickspittles will LIE about the national stats to justify threatening the schools' Federal funding for not following the political, not public health, DICTATES from Trash.
so the dilemma is:
little or no school which will kill, supposedly, some kids (evidence free, afaics)
vs
more or less in-person school, which will kill or damage some kids, and probably some teachers and staff
pick your poison of how many will die
Also amazing how schools are safe while we have outbreaks at summer camps.
Irrelevant citizens who are vectors to spread the virus further too...
Eyup. 14,000 dead children, and how many teachers exactly?
Adolescent children still children, and they go to school as well. I can tell you from my wifes direct accounts they do not bother with masks, or distancing rules, even when explicitly directed to do so. 13-18 comprise what? 6/13ths of the school age population. 46%In a population-based study in Iceland, children under 10 years of age and females had a lower incidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection than adolescents or adults and males. The proportion of infected persons identified through population screening did not change substantially during the screening period, which was consistent with a beneficial effect of containment efforts. (Funded by deCODE Genetics–Amgen.)
So basically, all of your links speak to the risk presented by 54% of the school age population.
The oldest group of seniors, comprise, 1/13th of 57,000,000. 7%In analyses involving participants up to 20 years of age, we observed a gradual increase with older age in the percentage who tested positive (Fig. S5). In the population-screening group, the difference was even more marked: none of the 848 children under the age of 10 years tested positive, as compared with 100 of 12,232 persons (0.8%; 95% CI, 0.7 to 1.0) 10 years of age or older.
A poplulation of 4.3M
Assuming they die at one tenth the known fatality rate for the disease, that is 2,192 dead teenagers, if all of them get exposed and/or sick.
Assume one teacher/administrator/janitor/etc for every 18 students in those schools.
3,100,000 people, with age distributions roughly the same as the overall population.
If they all get the disease that will kill roughly 15,500 teachers.
If you want to argue "not everyone will get it", then I would say a typical flu season sees roughly 40-60% of the population getting the disease, with vaccines, and this disease appears to be much more transmittable than the flu. 60% of 15,000 is still roughly 10,000 teachers.
Sending all kids back to school with this thing will kill tens of thousand of teachers and students.
How many dead teachers, children, and adolescents, are you willing to sacrifice for your Dear Leader?
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The links you have presented do not make your case, as all of the research on "children" hews to the medical definition of "under 10 years", leaving out the risks posed by tends of millions of other students, and millions of teachers, administrators, and service personnel.
Frankly, I am not going to be that cavalier with my wife, who teaches high school, or my two kids in high school.
You want them to take all the risks you yourself probably don't, and you can right off. I will not sacrifice any of them for the sake of your evil ideology. My wife and I are having some very pointed discussions about either not sending my kids to school, or my wife simply refusing to go to work. I am sure those discussions are being mirrored in millions of households.
Bypass this discussion:
How will you pay for teachers to take time off for COVID quarantine WHEN they get exposed in the millions?
Are you going to ask them to take unpaid leave? Man up and answer, or, you know, bull waffle some more for your Dear Leader.
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