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    I guess they did more than trace one kid from the Alps after May 5.

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    You pointed out the date of May 5th as if the data up until that point was meaningless. What changed after May 5th?
    I never said it was meaningless. Why are you lying?

    Seriously, why do all the forever trumpers on this board have to lie like this? It's insane

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    How soon before they start calling teachers "heroes" for babysitting other people's children and dying because of it

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    How soon before they start calling teachers "heroes" for babysitting other people's children and dying because of it
    October?

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    I never said it was meaningless. Why are you lying?

    Seriously, why do all the forever trumpers on this board have to lie like this? It's insane
    "as if"

    So what changed after May 5th?

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    K-12 includes ages 10 - 18

    are those "kids" non-spreaders?

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    "as if"

    So what changed after May 5th?
    More inconclusive studies. Why are you stuck in May? The rest of us live in July.

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    More inconclusive studies. Why are you stuck in May? The rest of us live in July.
    Show me a conclusive study that says kids are vectors for transmission.

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    Show me a conclusive study that says kids are vectors for transmission.
    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2768391

    Approximately 2% to 5% of individuals with laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 are younger than 18 years, with a median age of 11 years. Children with COVID-19 have milder symptoms that are predominantly limited to the upper respiratory tract, and rarely require hospitalization. [emphasis mine]
    Children get the disease. That makes them a "vector", since it spreads at the very least through aerosols, if not straight airborne.

    Viruses reproduce in any human, and spread. Not sure why this is a difficult concept for you, but then again, you lick Trumps boots, so that indicates an ability to grasp basic concepts common to normal humans.

    For them not to be a vector, you would have to prove that the version of the virus that children get is different than that of adults, or that this virus magically does not reproduce itself in children. Given that they do get sick, this is a heavy burden on your part. Have at it, boot licker.

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    Show me a conclusive study that says kids are vectors for transmission.
    Do you not understand what inconclusive means?

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    Trump won’t open the White House. That’s a message his flock ignores.

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    Trump won’t open the White House. That’s a message his flock ignores.
    He will probably not send his re ed son bqck to school this fall tbqh

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    Do you not understand what inconclusive means?
    Show me any study that says kids are vectors for transmission.

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    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2768391



    Children get the disease. That makes them a "vector", since it spreads at the very least through aerosols, if not straight airborne.

    Viruses reproduce in any human, and spread. Not sure why this is a difficult concept for you, but then again, you lick Trumps boots, so that indicates an ability to grasp basic concepts common to normal humans.

    For them not to be a vector, you would have to prove that the version of the virus that children get is different than that of adults, or that this virus magically does not reproduce itself in children. Given that they do get sick, this is a heavy burden on your part. Have at it, boot licker.
    Kids don't carry enough of a viral load to be vectors, and the study you linked doesn't say that kids are vectors for transmission, which is the point being debated.

    "Low carriers, low transmitters": study confirms the minimal role of children in the Covid-19 epidemic
    https://www.bfmtv.com/sante/peu-port...005120233.html

    Roger Highfield, Science Director, talks to Kari Stefansson, whose genetic sequencing project has revealed how the UK infected Iceland, that children don’t seem to infect parents, and how to control COVID-19.
    https://www.sciencemuseumgroup.org.u...down-covid-19/

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2006100

    https://www.rts.ch/info/sciences-tec...-covid-19.html

    https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronav...n-and-covid-19

    https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronav...n-and-covid-19

    https://translate.google.com/transla...9-1912853.html

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    Kids don't carry enough of a viral load to be vectors, and the study you linked doesn't say that kids are vectors for transmission, which is the point being debated.

    "Low carriers, low transmitters": study confirms the minimal role of children in the Covid-19 epidemic
    https://www.bfmtv.com/sante/peu-port...005120233.html

    Roger Highfield, Science Director, talks to Kari Stefansson, whose genetic sequencing project has revealed how the UK infected Iceland, that children don’t seem to infect parents, and how to control COVID-19.
    https://www.sciencemuseumgroup.org.u...down-covid-19/

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2006100

    https://www.rts.ch/info/sciences-tec...-covid-19.html

    https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronav...n-and-covid-19

    https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronav...n-and-covid-19

    https://translate.google.com/transla...9-1912853.html
    Teachers are not kids

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    Kids don't carry enough of a viral load to be vectors, and the study you linked doesn't say that kids are vectors for transmission, which is the point being debated.

    "Low carriers, low transmitters": study confirms the minimal role of children in the Covid-19 epidemic
    https://www.bfmtv.com/sante/peu-port...005120233.html

    Roger Highfield, Science Director, talks to Kari Stefansson, whose genetic sequencing project has revealed how the UK infected Iceland, that children don’t seem to infect parents, and how to control COVID-19.
    https://www.sciencemuseumgroup.org.u...down-covid-19/

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2006100

    https://www.rts.ch/info/sciences-tec...-covid-19.html

    https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronav...n-and-covid-19

    https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronav...n-and-covid-19

    https://translate.google.com/transla...9-1912853.html
    German study finds no evidence coronavirus spreads in schools

    Schools do not play a major role in spreading the coronavirus, according to the results of a German study released on Monday.

    The study, the largest carried out on schoolchildren and teachers in Germany, found traces of the virus in fewer than 1 per cent of teachers and children.

    Scientists from Dresden Technical University said they believe children may act as a “brake” on chains of infection.

    Prof Reinhard Berner, the head of pediatric medicine at Dresden University Hospital and leader of the study, said the results suggested the virus does not spread easily in schools.

    “It is rather the opposite,” Prof Berner told a press conference. “Children act more as a brake on infection. Not every infection that reaches them is passed on.”

    The study tested 2,045 children and teachers at 13 schools — including some where there have been cases of the virus. But scientists found antibodies in just 12 of those who took part.

    “This means that the degree of immunization in the group of study participants is well below 1 per cent and much lower then we expected,” said Prof Berner. “This suggests schools have not developed into hotspots.”

    The study was carried out at schools in three different districts in the region of Saxony.

    https://news.yahoo.com/german-study-...164704005.html

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    Teachers are not kids
    Teachers don't matter

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    Kids Rarely Transmit Covid-19, Say UVM Docs in Top Journal

    A commentary published in the journal Pediatrics, the official peer-reviewed journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics, concludes that children infrequently transmit Covid-19 to each other or to adults and that many schools, provided they follow appropriate social distancing guidelines and take into account rates of transmission in their community, can and should reopen in the fall.

    The authors, Benjamin Lee, M.D. and William V. Raszka, Jr., M.D., are both pediatric infectious disease specialists on the faculty of the University of Vermont’s Larner College of Medicine. Dr. Raszka is an associate editor of Pediatrics.

    The authors of the commentary, led “COVID-19 Transmission and Children: The Child Is Not to Blame,” base their conclusions on a new study published in the current issue of Pediatrics, “COVID-19 in Children and the Dynamics of Infection in Families,” and four other recent studies that examine Covid-19 transmission by and among children.

    In the new Pediatrics study, Klara M. Posfay-Barbe, M.D., a faculty member at University of Geneva’s medical school, and her colleagues studied the households of 39 Swiss children infected with Covid-19. Contract tracing revealed that in only three (8%) was a child the suspected index case, with symptom onset preceding illness in adult household contacts.

    In a recent study in China, researchers’ contact tracing demonstrated that of the 68 children with Covid-19 admitted to Qingdao Women's and Children's Hospital from January 20 to February 27, 2020, 96% were household contacts of previously infected adults. In another study of Chinese children, nine of 10 children admitted to several provincial hospitals outside Wuhan contracted Covid-19 from an adult, with only one possible child-to-child transmission, based on the timing of disease onset.

    In a French study, a boy with Covid-19 exposed over 80 classmates at three schools to the disease. None contracted it. Transmission of other respiratory diseases, including influenza transmission, was common at the schools.

    In a study in New South Wales, nine infected students and nine staff across 15 schools exposed a total of 735 students and 128 staff to Covid-19. Only two secondary infections resulted, one transmitted by an adult to a child.

    “The data are striking,” said Dr. Raszka. “The key takeaway is that children are not driving the pandemic. After six months, we have a wealth of ac ulating data showing that children are less likely to become infected and seem less infectious; it is congregating adults who aren’t following safety protocols who are responsible for driving the upward curve.”

    Rising cases among adults and children in Texas childcare facilities, which have seen 894 Covid-19 cases among staff members and 441 among children in 883 child care facilities across the state, have the potential to be misinterpreted, Dr. Raszka said. He has not studied the details of the outbreak.

    “There is widespread transmission of Covid-19 in Texas today, with many adults congregating without observing social distancing or wearing masks,” he said. “While we don’t yet know the dynamics of the outbreak, it is unlikely that infants and young children in daycare are driving the surge. Based on the evidence, it’s more plausible that adults are passing the infection to the children in the vast majority of cases.”

    Additional support for the notion that children are not significant vectors of the disease comes from mathematical modeling, the authors say. Models show that community-wide social distancing and widespread adoption of facial cloth coverings are far better strategies for curtailing disease spread, and that closing schools adds little. The fact that schools have reopened in many Western European countries and in Japan without seeing a rise in community transmissions bears out the accuracy of the modeling.

    Reopening schools in a safe manner this fall is important for the healthy development of children, the authors say. “By doing so, we could minimize the potentially profound adverse social, developmental, and health costs that our children will continue to suffer until an effective treatment or vaccine can be developed and distributed, or failing that, until we reach herd immunity,” the paper concludes.

    https://www.uvm.edu/uvmnews/news/kid...cs-top-journal

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    Show me a conclusive study that says kids are vectors for transmission.
    The absence of conclusive research in the first months of a pandemic involving a novel pathogen is an awfully thin reed to support the prudence and safety of reopening in person schools next month.

    Are you asking us to believe that children who've already caught COVID weren't ever infectious?

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    Show me any study that says kids are vectors for transmission.
    It's not a yes or no. It's a we don't fully know.

    What we do know is that you're an idiot

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    Show me any study that says kids are vectors for transmission.
    Oh here's a study that shows kids are vectors

    Kids Rarely [but still do] Transmit Covid-19, Say UVM Docs in Top Journal

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    Oh here's a study that shows kids are vectors
    at that being your takeaway from that article

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    Oh here's a study that shows kids are vectors
    At our infection rates we could have 39 infected kids in the same classroom.

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    The absence of conclusive research in the first months of a pandemic involving a novel pathogen is an awfully thin reed to support the prudence and safety of reopening in person schools next month.

    Are you asking us to believe that children who've already caught COVID weren't ever infectious?
    https://pediatrics.aappublications.o...ds.2020-004879

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    Teachers don't matter
    Apparently. Thats 3.5 million irrelevant citizens tbqh

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