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    It doesn't really matter if the discussion hinges on "how much money companies are losing!?!?!?"

    For a long while it certainly looked like it didn't matter how many American lives should be offered to the altar of the fabled economy.
    Still looks like that, tbh. The "return to normal" narrative is strong:

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    Still looks like that, tbh. The "return to normal" narrative is strong:
    I think the onus right now has been to get reluctant people vaccinated. It's the right goal.

    Also looks like companies are starting to mandate to get the jab if you plan to get back to the office. I think that's sound as well.

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    I think the onus right now has been to get reluctant people vaccinated. It's the right goal.

    Also looks like companies are starting to mandate to get the jab if you plan to get back to the office. I think that's sound as well.
    that public health policy in the US falls to employers is perverse, but it might be the only effective policy at this point.

    sad!

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    that public health policy in the US falls to employers is perverse, but it might be the only effective policy at this point.

    sad!
    That's our broken health system, but that existed before COVID. It's wrong and bad, but not new.

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    I think the onus right now has been to get reluctant people vaccinated. It's the right goal.

    Also looks like companies are starting to mandate to get the jab if you plan to get back to the office. I think that's sound as well.
    nearly 2/3 of Americans support mandated vax.

    If there is ever a mandate, who polices? what's the punishment?

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    I had a science teacher in high school day to do that whenever you feel a scratchy throat come on. I've done it ever since and it seems like it's worked for me on many occasions

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    Thanks.

    wonder if thereís data for people like yourself who had covid and also vaccinated

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    "Get the shot, people" -- Donald Trump




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    "Get the shot, people" -- Donald Trump
    "I'm not taking it" -- Kamala Harris

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    Democratic vice presidential nominee Kamala Harris said that President Donald Trump’s word alone on any potential coronavirus vaccine is not enough.
    Do you blame her snake "just around the corner hoax?"

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    Democratic vice presidential nominee Kamala Harris said that President Donald Trumpís word alone on any potential coronavirus vaccine is not enough.
    Do you blame her snake "just around the corner hoax?"

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    "I'm not taking it" -- Kamala Harris
    Kamala Harris 100% got the jab.

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    Oligopolistic DISASTER CAPITALISM at its finest

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    sulated From Patent Waivers, Pfizer and Moderna Hike Vaccine Prices

    In its new supply contract with the E.U.,

    Pfizer named a price of more than $23 per dose, up nearly 25% from about $18 on earlier purchases.

    Moderna said in its latest agreement that its mRNA vaccine will cost one-tenth more than its previous price, charging $25.50 per dose.


    0.3% of doses have been administered in low-income countries,

    leading public health experts to warn that Covid-19 will continue to mutate and dangerous,

    highly infectious variants like Delta will continue to emerge and spread throughout the world.

    The companies are raising their prices "just in time for the Delta variant,"

    Pfizer and Moderna used the "usual pharma rhetoric" in discussing the price hikes.

    "Vaccines work so they increased the 'value,'"

    Pfizer's sales are now expected to reach $56 billion and

    Moderna's are expected to reach $30 billion.


    "Our governments are complicit in this heist by pharma and companies across the board in other sectors,"

    https://www.commondreams.org/news/20...vaccine-prices

    Pfizer exec said they will later be charging $150 - $200 / dose, their habitual price for vaccine



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    COVID-19 Vaccine Breakthrough Cases: Data from the States

    https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/cov...om-the-states/

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    broader vaccine mandates coming


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    broader vaccine mandates coming

    There goes the antivaxxer talking point that this isn't FDA approved. Now they'll just double down on saying the FDA rushed it.

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    There goes the antivaxxer talking point that this isn't FDA approved. Now they'll just double down on saying the FDA rushed it.
    Warp Speed bad now

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    broader vaccine mandates coming

    Expect to scare ducks as "broader" is similar in spelling to "boarder" and he will contact his governor to protest this racist mandate from President Biden.

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    There goes the antivaxxer talking point that this isn't FDA approved. Now they'll just double down on saying the FDA rushed it.
    It pisses me off that they are rushing full approval thinking it will appease the antivaxxers. It might make things worse because right now the antivaxxers are spreading a lie that the vaccines are experimental because of the EUA. Instead they will be telling the truth that the FDA rushed full approval. No way they can thoroughly complete all the tedious steps required for full approval by next month without cutting corners. Ridiculous that these idiots keep thinking if they just say or do the right thing that Robert Kennedy is going to have a eureka moment and say vaccines are good.

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    Flu Shot Protects Against Severe Effects Of COVID-19

    the flu vaccine may provide vital protection against COVID-19.

    the annual flu shot reduces the risks of stroke, sepsis, and DVT in patients with COVID-19.

    Patients with COVID-19 who had been vaccinated against the flu were also significantly less likely to visit the emergency department and be admitted to the intensive care unit.

    my team has been able to observe an association between the flu vaccine and reduced morbidity in COVID-19 patients.Ē

    The analysis revealed that those who had not had the flu shot were significantly more likely (up to 20% more likely) to have been admitted to the ICU.

    They were also significantly more likely to visit the emergency department (up to 58% more likely),

    to develop sepsis (up to 45% more likely),

    to have a stroke (up to 58% more likely) and

    a DVT (up to 40% more likely).

    The risk of death was not reduced.

    https://scienceblog.com/524550/flu-shot-protects-against-severe-effects-of-covid-19

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    It pisses me off that they are rushing full approval thinking it will appease the antivaxxers. It might make things worse because right now the antivaxxers are spreading a lie that the vaccines are experimental because of the EUA. Instead they will be telling the truth that the FDA rushed full approval. No way they can thoroughly complete all the tedious steps required for full approval by next month without cutting corners. Ridiculous that these idiots keep thinking if they just say or do the right thing that Robert Kennedy is going to have a eureka moment and say vaccines are good.
    LOL there is nothing they can do to get the antivaxxers on board. Can't imagine someone rather rolling the dice on the long term health impacts of COVID on a naive immune system over the so far pretty rare side effects of the vaccines.

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    Novavax does deal with EU, vaccine not yet approved:

    A total of 15,187 participants underwent randomization, and 14,039 were included in the per-protocol efficacy population. Of the participants, 27.9% were 65 years of age or older, and 44.6% had coexisting illnesses. Infections were reported in 10 participants in the vaccine group and in 96 in the placebo group, with a symptom onset of at least 7 days after the second injection, for a vaccine efficacy of 89.7% (95% confidence interval [CI], 80.2 to 94.6). No hospitalizations or deaths were reported among the 10 cases in the vaccine group. Five cases of severe infection were reported, all of which were in the placebo group. A post hoc analysis showed an efficacy of 86.3% (95% CI, 71.3 to 93.5) against the B.1.1.7 (or alpha) variant and 96.4% (95% CI, 73.8 to 99.5) against non-B.1.1.7 variants. Reactogenicity was generally mild and transient. The incidence of serious adverse events was low and similar in the two groups.
    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2107659

    The Novavax COVID-19 vaccine contains a protein (made using moth cells) plus an adjuvant (made from tree bark). An adjuvant is an ingredient added to boost a person's immune response, creating higher levels of antibodies.


    The Novavax vaccine uses a telltale piece of the coronavirus: the notorious e protein. All alone, the e protein is harmless and can't cause COVID-19. When your immune system encounters the lonely e protein, it produces antibodies against it. This gives you protection against future COVID-19 infection.


    "Unlike mRNA vaccines, the e protein is already premade in the Novavax vaccine. It's a shortcut," explains Dr. Florescu. "All the synthesis happens outside the body and we just give the end product: the e protein."


    Like other COVID-19 vaccines, Novavax does not cause COVID-19 infection. It can't get you sick. This vaccine doesn't contain either live or inactivated virus.


    How did they get the e protein?


    The Novavax method uses moth cells to make e proteins:



    1. Researchers select the desired genes that create certain SARS-CoV-2 antigens ( e protein).
    2. Researchers put the genes into a baculovirus, an insect virus.
    3. The baculovirus infects moth cells and replicates inside them.
    4. These moth cells create lots of e proteins.
    5. Researchers extract and purify the e proteins.


    "The Novavax vaccine has no genetic material, only proteins," says Dr. Florescu. "The vaccine technology is more traditional, and it's very similar to a protein-based influenza vaccine."


    Influenza vaccines have also used this moth cell factory method.

    What does the adjuvant (soapbark tree extract) do?


    Adjuvants increase the immune response to a vaccine. In this vaccine, soapbark tree extract adjuvant makes achieving immunity possible with a smaller dose of the e protein.


    Matrix-M is the adjuvant used by Novavax. It is based on a saponin extracted from the soapbark tree (Quillaja saponaria). The soapbark extract encourages immune cells to activate, generating a more potent immune response.


    Saponins are found naturally in various plant species like beans and green peas. They're used in agriculture, animal feeds, veterinary vaccines and human food. Saponins can boost immune responses to proteins. Using the Matrix-M adjuvant, a smaller dose of e protein achieves the desired immune response.
    https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/mo...-vaccine-works

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    COVID: 90% of patients treated with new Israeli drug discharged in 5 days

    The Phase II trial for an Israeli COVID drug confirmed the results of Phase I,

    which was conducted in Israel last winter and saw some

    29 out of 30 patients moderate to serious recover within days.


    https://www.jpost.com/health-science...-5-days-675961

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