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    If the vaccines had sterilizing immunity, I would understand mandates.

    But, they don't.
    As long as they protect against hospitalization and death, they are very worthwhile, even mandate worthy.

    Aren't we supposed to figure how to live with COVID?

    Surviving COVID would seem to be an important element of that.

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    not what I linked. you weren't paying attention or are purposely lying as usual

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    As long as they protect against hospitalization and death, they are very worthwhile, even mandate worthy.

    Aren't we supposed to figure how to live with COVID?

    Surviving COVID would seem to be an important element of that.
    How well are they protecting?

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    If the vaccines had sterilizing immunity, I would understand mandates.

    But, they don't.
    The mandate will stop the unvaccinated from infecting the vaccinated. Then we'll need another mandate to stop the unboosted from infecting the boosted.

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    How well are they protecting?
    80%-90% it would seem, way better than theraputics.

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    Cleaning your nose and throat seems common sense to me.

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    Over time that may change. COVID is a moving target.

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    80%-90%, way better than theraputics.
    How do we know?


    They've already lied about it.

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    How do we know?


    They've already lied about it.
    Who is they?

    Can you be specific?

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    Who is they?

    Can you be specific?

    CDC, NIH

    99.5% of hospitalization and deaths are unvaccinated

    Nope

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    More like 10-15% of those are fully vaccinated

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    Got my double Pfizer by end of April.

    Gotta say, not super confident in its effectiveness.

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    Got my double Pfizer by end of April.

    Gotta say, not super confident in its effectiveness.
    I thought your topped off natty immunity was good.

    What changed your mind? More official lies?

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    More like 10-15% of those are fully vaccinated
    You don't think that's ing amazing with Delta?

    You're pretty much an antivax idiot at this point.

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    What the do you think the scientific community is going to say. They're all in, and have been for quite a while. You couldn't drag 'em away now.

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    I thought your topped off natty immunity was good.
    Good point

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    What the do you think the scientific community is going to say.
    whatever the science reflects, generally

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    Ad hominem. Next
    Sorry you don't understand mandates but I'm not going to waste time explaining it to you. I'd rather just call you an idiot and move on too. Next.

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    whatever the science reflects, generally
    Once-upon-a-time, sure, when we was in High School they could be counted upon and trusted, but not for a long, long time, uh, 21. They're politicized and thus, worthless.

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    Sorry you don't understand mandates but I'm not going to waste time explaining it to you. I'd rather just call you an idiot and move on too. Next.
    ...that'd be me.

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    Once-upon-a-time, sure, when we was in High School they could be counted upon and trusted, but not for a long, long time, uh, 21. They're politicized and thus, worthless.
    they've been doing the same thing. the politicization has come from industries that are implicated in what the data has found. we saw this with big tobacco for decades. we've seen seeing it with the fossil fuel industry more recently. unfortunately, half of our country chose the corporate messaging over the scientific one, so we have a major political party that banks on denial of science. that has now bled through to other issues of science as half the population has been conditioned to not believe that science is real

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    they've been doing the same thing. the politicization has come from industries that are implicated in what the data has found. we saw this with big tobacco for decades. we've seen seeing it with the fossil fuel industry more recently. unfortunately, half of our country chose the corporate messaging over the scientific one, so we have a major political party that banks on denial of science. that has now bled through to other issues of science as half the population has been conditioned to not believe that science is real
    Oh, the tangled web we weave (thingy).

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    Oh, the tangled web we weave (thingy).
    it was as recent as 1994 when 7 separate CEOs of the US's biggest tobacco companies testified under oath before congress that nicotine was not addictive. these guys all claimed the science was politicized too. this isn't some hypothetical idea i'm throwing out there. we've already seen it multiple times. happened earlier with the lead paint, leaded gas, etc

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    ...that'd be me.
    Ok

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