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    Vaccines are designed for specific pathogens. When they mutate, the vaccines can become less effective.

    What part of that don't you understand?
    When the malady is a moving always mutating target, maybe a vaccine solution is not the way to go. Well unless it makes you infinitely wealthy thanks to forever booster shots

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    When the malady is a moving always mutating target, maybe a vaccine solution is not the way to go.
    Is this your medical opinion?

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    Allergic reactions to Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine are extremely rare, report finds


    There's about a
    2.5 per 1 million chance of having a severe allergic reaction.

    https://www.livescience.com/allergic-reactions-moderna-covid-19-vaccine.html


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    When the malady is a moving always mutating target, maybe a vaccine solution is not the way to go.
    You have the right to choose natural infection. You'll probably be okay.

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    You have the right to choose natural infection. You'll probably be okay.
    Not a guarantee if its always mutating

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    You have the right to choose natural infection. You'll probably be okay.
    Not really tho

    We ALL will eventually get natural infection. And most likely multiple times. We all will probably be ok, until we start hitting our 70s

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    Not really tho

    We ALL will eventually get natural infection. And most likely multiple times. We all will probably be ok, until we start hitting our 70s

    Not really how it works. Unless, you mean a NEW coronavirus hits you when you're in your 70's. Elderly people get common colds all the time. They aren't deadly, since they've been exposed many times over their lives.

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    Not really how it works. Unless, you mean a NEW coronavirus hits you when you're in your 70's. Elderly people get common colds all the time. They aren't deadly, since they've been exposed many times over their lives.
    Covid is obviously not as mild as a cold. It will still kill 70 year olds at a good clip for the foreseeable future. Yes we will see that 1st hand. Of course in 20, 30, 40 years there will be much better therapeutics for us.

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    Not really tho

    We ALL will eventually get natural infection. And most likely multiple times. We all will probably be ok, until we start hitting our 70s
    If you make it to your 70's you will have been infected multiple times so it's not going to be the same as current elderly who are completely immune naive to this bug.

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    It will still kill 70 year olds at a good clip for the foreseeable future.
    Not the vaccinated ones. About 45 million 65+ left to vaccinate.

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    Not the vaccinated ones. About 45 million 65+ left to vaccinate.
    New strains will. At a decent clip imo

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    If you make it to your 70's you will have been infected multiple times so it's not going to be the same as current elderly who are completely immune naive to this bug.
    Agree

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    Covid is obviously not as mild as a cold. It will still kill 70 year olds at a good clip for the foreseeable future. Yes we will see that 1st hand. Of course in 20, 30, 40 years there will be much better therapeutics for us.
    I'm sure the other common colds were deadly when they were NEW.

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    I'm sure the other common colds were deadly when they were NEW.
    We barely could wipe our ass back then much less have even an aspirin.

    Now we are throwing the kitchen sink at the virus and even baby fetuses and hiv tails and still getting our asses kicked.

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    Hater will die in WW15 before he reaches 70.

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    Hater will die in WW15 before he reaches 70.
    You wont. U said vaccine rollout was a piece of cake

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    We barely could wipe our ass back then much less have even an aspirin.

    Now we are throwing the kitchen sink at the virus and even baby fetuses and hiv tails and still getting our asses kicked.

    Get in your bunker then.

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    Get in your bunker then.
    Not till I hit 65 and thats decades from now

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    New strains will. At a decent clip imo
    What do you base your opinion on?

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    Not till I hit 65 and thats decades from now
    By then, you've been exposed numerous times, each time affecting you less. See where this is going?

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    By then, you've been exposed numerous times, each time affecting you less. See where this is going?
    Ive had numerous flus throughout my life and every once in a while one of them.kicks my ass. See where this is going?

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    Ive had numerous flus throughout my life and every once in a while one of them.kicks my ass. See where this is going?
    the flu viruses are vastly different compared to the Covid virus.
    We make vaccines for 4 different antigens for each season for the flu.
    The Covid virus requires one because only one is involved in attaching to cells, the e protein, and it appears to be very good at this.
    And the most likely thing that will happen if the e protein mutates in the binding domain is that it WILL not be able to bind to your cells.

    Please continue... hater?

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    Ive had numerous flus throughout my life and every once in a while one of them.kicks my ass. See where this is going?
    to your lotion bottle?

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    the flu viruses are vastly different compared to the Covid virus.
    We make vaccines for 4 different antigens for each season for the flu.
    The Covid virus requires one because only one is involved in attaching to cells, the e protein, and it appears to be very good at this.
    And the most likely thing that will happen if the e protein mutates in the binding domain is that it WILL not be able to bind to your cells.

    Please continue... hater?
    For the South African strain. this is worrying

    Some scientists noted that the variant is possibly able to attach more easily to human cells because of three mutations in the receptor-binding domain (RBD) in the e glycoprotein of the virus: N501Y[5][9] (a change from asparagine (N) to tyrosine (Y)[10] in amino-acid position 501), K417N, and E484K.[11][12] Two of these mutations, E484K and N501Y, are within the receptor-binding motif (RBM) of the receptor-binding domain (RBD).

    Here you go hater.

    Now tell us how this will affect the efficacy of the current vaccine(s)

    Hater with his opinion... Go.

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    Israel’s Early Vaccine Data Offers Hope

    Initial studies show a significant drop in infections and hospitalizations after just one dose,

    and very few cases after two.

    Experts caution that the results are preliminary.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/25/w...cine-data.html

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