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    Trump's final decisive failure as president and all you Trump supporters can say is How will Biden fix muh Trump's up?
    30 dead from vax in Norway.

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    ^ brazilian raver wrong per par

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    30 dead from vax in Norway.
    No one should get it.

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    "the private sector will save us"


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    "the private sector will save us"

    only 5% of CA's old folks home residents have been vaccinated.

    Nirenberg among mayors urging Biden to send coronavirus vaccines directly to big cities

    In a letter, the 22 mayors urged the Biden administration to establish a national vaccine distribution plan for cities, instead of allocating all available doses to state governments.

    And the Metropolitan Health District is only notified once a week by the state about how many doses it will be receiving,

    making it difficult to schedule vaccination appointments beyond a week at a time.

    San Antonio has “no ability to plan ahead,” Colleen Bridger, interim director of Metro Health, told the City Council on Thursday.

    The mayors of the country’s three largest cities — New York City, Los Angeles and Chicago — also signed the letter. The request comes amid widespread dissatisfaction over a sluggish vaccine rollout;

    just 37 percent of the total doses allocated to states so far have been put into people’s arms,

    https://www.expressnews.com/news/politics/texas_legislature/article/Texas-mayors-urge-Biden-administration-Send-15870449.php


    Another way Trash's political stooges, sycophants MORTALLY up


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    ‘We’re underselling the vaccine’

    Early in the pandemic, many health experts —
    in the U.S. and around the world decided that the public could not be trusted to hear the truth about masks. Instead, the experts spread a misleading message, discouraging the use of masks.

    It confused people. (If masks weren’t effective, why did doctors and nurses need them?)

    It delayed the widespread use of masks (even though there was
    good reason to believe they could help). And it damaged the credibility of public health experts.

    Now a version of the mask story is repeating itself — this time involving the vaccines. Once again, the experts don’t seem to trust the public to hear the full truth.

    ‘Ridiculously encouraging’

    Right now, public discussion of the vaccines is full of warnings about their limitations:

    They’re not 100 percent effective.

    Even vaccinated people may be able to spread the virus.

    And people shouldn’t change their behavior once they get their shots.

    These warnings have a basis in truth, just as it’s true that masks are imperfect. But the sum total of the warnings is misleading, as I heard from multiple doctors and epidemiologists last week.

    “It’s driving me a little bit crazy,” Dr. Ashish Jha, dean of the Brown School of Public Health, told me.

    “We’re underselling the vaccine,” Dr. Aaron Richterman, an infectious-disease specialist at the University of Pennsylvania, said.

    “It’s going to save your life — that’s where the emphasis has to be right now,” Dr. Peter Hotez of the Baylor College of Medicine said.

    The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are “essentially 100 percent effective against serious disease,”

    Dr. Paul Offit, the director of the Vaccine Education Center at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, said. “It’s ridiculously encouraging.”


    The details

    Here’s my best attempt at summarizing what we know:

    • The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines — the only two approved in the U.S. — are among the best vaccines ever created, with effectiveness rates of about 95 percent after two doses. That’s on par with the vaccines for chickenpox and measles. And a vaccine doesn’t even need to be so effective to reduce cases sharply and crush a pandemic.
    • If anything, the 95 percent number understates the effectiveness, because it counts anyone who came down with a mild case of Covid-19 as a failure. But turning Covid into a typical flu — as the vaccines evidently did for most of the remaining 5 percent — is actually a success. Of the 32,000 people who received the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine in a research trial, do you want to guess how many contracted a severe Covid case? One.
    • Although no rigorous study has yet analyzed whether vaccinated people can spread the virus, it would be surprising if they did. “If there is an example of a vaccine in widespread clinical use that has this selective effect — prevents disease but not infection — I can’t think of one!” Dr. Paul Sax of Harvard has written in The New England Journal of Medicine. (And, no, exclamation points are not common in medical journals.) On Twitter, Dr. Monica Gandhi of the University of California, San Francisco, argued: “Please be assured that YOU ARE SAFE after vaccine from what matters — disease and spreading.”
    • The risks for vaccinated people are still not zero, because almost nothing in the real world is zero risk. A tiny percentage of people may have allergic reactions. And I’ll be eager to see what the studies on post-vaccination spread eventually show. But the evidence so far suggests that the vaccines are akin to a cure.

    Offit told me we should be greeting them with the same enthusiasm that greeted the polio vaccine: “It should be this rallying cry.”
    -- NY Times email

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    "the private sector will save us"

    Ifr less than flu

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    Johnson & Johnson trials show single-shot COVID-19 vaccine effective


    Johnson & Johnson's coronavirus vaccine proved safe and

    provoked an immune response in young and elderly volunteers alike,

    Most trial participants got just one shot of a high or low vaccine dose, or a placebo, although some people aged 18 to 55 got two doses.

    Most of the volunteers who got the vaccine produced the neutralizing antibodies, which defend cells from the virus, after 28 days.

    Researchers reported some side effects, including fever, fatigue, headache, and pain at the injection site.

    Dr. Paul Stoffels, chief scientific officer at J&J, said the data gave the company "confidence" the vaccine will prove highly effective.

    Results from the larger phase-three trial are expected later this month.

    https://theweek.com/covid/962088/sol...anuary-20-2021

    Maybe by 2022, USA will have 200M+ vaccinated.


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    Who changed guidance for pcr and case identification
    ...... lololoooloollllllloolllolllllllllllllolll

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    Who changed guidance for pcr and case identification
    ...... lololoooloollllllloolllolllllllllllllolll
    No need vax. 90 pct of population

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    OK, we finally got hit. I got it first from a guy at work, my daughter and wife got it. Boom,boom,boom. We are all getting through it...none going critical but I can tell you its a pretty bad ass flu. Im sure some of you are disappointed it didn't get me.

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    OK, we finally got hit. I got it first from a guy at work, my daughter and wife got it. Boom,boom,boom. We are all getting through it...none going critical but I can tell you its a pretty bad ass flu. Im sure some of you are disappointed it didn't get me.
    damn, take care of your loved one.

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    OK, we finally got hit. I got it first from a guy at work, my daughter and wife got it. Boom,boom,boom. We are all getting through it...none going critical but I can tell you its a pretty bad ass flu. Im sure some of you are disappointed it didn't get me.
    When did you first get symptoms?

    If you qualify consider monoclonal antibodies. Especially if you are very early in the disease course and already showing severe symptoms. You qualify for monoclonal antibodies if you are over 65 and/or have comorbidities. Your Dr can set it up for you. Infusion site is the AT&T center I think (not sure tho).

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    When did you first get symptoms?

    If you qualify consider monoclonal antibodies. Especially if you are very early in the disease course and already showing severe symptoms. You qualify for monoclonal antibodies if you are over 65 and/or have comorbidities. Your Dr can set it up for you. Infusion site is the AT&T center I think (not sure tho).
    I'm ok. Started last Wednesday. Super tired. Thursday tired and foggy. Thursday night 102 temp and cough from , hocking up snot from my lungs. Gradual increase in temp and worst symptoms over the next two days. Im past the worst and fever is gone. Still have to quarantine for 7 more days.

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    That sucks

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    I'm ok. Started last Wednesday. Super tired. Thursday tired and foggy. Thursday night 102 temp and cough from , hocking up snot from my lungs. Gradual increase in temp and worst symptoms over the next two days. Im past the worst and fever is gone. Still have to quarantine for 7 more days.
    welp

    hopefully you got vaccinated the hard way.

    Take er easy.
    don’t mess with this, some people have reoccurring symptoms.
    says it feels like it hit them twice.

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    I'm ok. Started last Wednesday. Super tired. Thursday tired and foggy. Thursday night 102 temp and cough from , hocking up snot from my lungs. Gradual increase in temp and worst symptoms over the next two days. Im past the worst and fever is gone. Still have to quarantine for 7 more days.
    That's good to hear. People who are going to crash usually do so by day 7. Sounds like you're out of the woods.

    It's a weird ass virus. My wife had 3 people test positive on the same day, a 44 year old and an elderly couple (96 & 97 yrs old). The elderly couple barely had the sniffles and the 44 year old just came off the vent like 3 days ago.

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    That's good to hear. People who are going to crash usually do so by day 7. Sounds like you're out of the woods.

    It's a weird ass virus. My wife had 3 people test positive on the same day, a 44 year old and an elderly couple (96 & 97 yrs old). The elderly couple barely had the sniffles and the 44 year old just came off the vent like 3 days ago.

    Barely did anything to Chuck Grassley, and he's 87 (I think). Was 44 year old obese?

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    Barely did anything to Chuck Grassley, and he's 87 (I think). Was 44 year old obese?
    Didn't ask but she's American so probably

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    OK, we finally got hit. I got it first from a guy at work, my daughter and wife got it. Boom,boom,boom. We are all getting through it...none going critical but I can tell you its a pretty bad ass flu. Im sure some of you are disappointed it didn't get me.
    Review your will ma neggro

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    I haven't read that moving the vaccine around is a problem

    It's more of supply at the manufacturing level being limited

    Then the supply of people at the retail level to actually give the vaccines for example I think it was CVS that said they simply don't have enough people if they even had the vaccine

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    I haven't read that moving the vaccine around is a problem

    It's more of supply at the manufacturing level being limited

    Then the supply of people at the retail level to actually give the vaccines for example I think it was CVS that said they simply don't have enough people if they even had the vaccine
    If it's the Pfizer one, you have to keep it frozen even while transporting. I can see that causing some challenges, especially in small, far away towns.

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