You think New York’s deaths rate per capita looks any better in July?
If New York were a country in July where would it rank globally in terms of deaths per capita? You’re all about det perspective right?
Poor fella just can’t do it. If New York were a country in July where would it rank globally in terms of deaths per capita? You’re all about det perspective right?
det perspective
The TSA rodeo
Trumpers just trying to run out the clock on any conversation until....I guess if Biden takes office they can start blaming him....
What's your end game with the New York references?You think New York’s deaths rate per capita looks any better in July?
If New York were a country in July where would it rank globally in terms of deaths per capita? You’re all about det perspective right?
"I'm tired of Cuomo being labeled a hero by the evil liberal media while they drag Lord DeSantis through the mud. Think of the nursing homes!"
I'll be with you on the nursing home up if an investigation reveals Cuomo and Co. had other options to send patients. The Comfort ship had an arm's length list of patients they couldn't accept and the Javitis Center, which was supposed to be the primary stopgap to take overflow, reached capacity with 1000+ patients. Look at NY's ICU headroom throughout their surge.
If there's nowhere to divert overflow but nursing homes, I'm not sure what you're supposed to do here in that situation? Send a recovering patient who still probably needs a certain level care back home?
Look at FL's ICU strain during the initial outbreak.
[IMG][/IMG]
Florida was never forced to make tough decisions on where to send patients because they operated below capacity, simply because Florida was never, ever under a risk of a surge close to New York due to the weather at the time, the relative population density, and perhaps Florida's population being less susceptible to severe cases per the Vitamin D deficiency theory. NY's flu death rate is twice as high as Florida's flu death rate.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/s..._pneumonia.htm
Furthermore, New York counts probable deaths while FL only counts confirmed deaths via test. You can see it here. Florida has had nearly 8K pneumonia deaths with/without Covid, excluding the flu. They have one of the highest ratios of non-flu pneumonia deaths to confirmed Covid deaths in the country.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
You'll see in states that count probable deaths, they usually show more Covid deaths than non-flu pneumonia deaths.
The reason DeathSentence (yea, deserves that name. Not closing Disneyworld while cases are surging and ICU capacity is strained) gets criticism is because he did everything wrong at the start and fumbled his way into a good result because of the weather and population density factors. During the Spring, the weather was more temperate, so more people outside. Now that it's summer, people are spending more time in air conditioned spaces, which is a perfect breeding ground for the virus. And DeathSentence is still refusing to take action, likely thinking he'll get lucky again. He won't. FL has had a 15%+ positive rate over the last 3 weeks and that was with doing a lot of testing. The median age has risen. ICUs are being strained. It's sneaking into nursing homes now.
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/lo...irus-outbreak/
And yes, he has a baked in "win" vs. NY. Florida's environment just isn't as conducive to the massive and rapid spread New York endured. I think every year NY runs about a 5x higher flu infection rate than FL. At the end of this, he can pat himself on the back and say they didn't get as bad as NY, but it won't mean he took better action than Cuomo.
Everything is fine. Set the old people up in the Haunted Mansion for some added realism.
I can always count on you to bring your white flag to wave around.
I only bring up New York when Blake brings up Florida and compares it to the rest of the world "for perspective". Pushing fear porn record setting positive test case count without mentioning the amount of tests being done in Florida is disingenuous at best.What's your end game with the New York references?
"I'm tired of Cuomo being labeled a hero by the evil liberal media while they drag Lord DeSantis through the mud. Think of the nursing homes!"
I'll be with you on the nursing home up if an investigation reveals Cuomo and Co. had other options to send patients. The Comfort ship had an arm's length list of patients they couldn't accept and the Javitis Center, which was supposed to be the primary stopgap to take overflow, reached capacity with 1000+ patients. Look at NY's ICU headroom throughout their surge.
If there's nowhere to divert overflow but nursing homes, I'm not sure what you're supposed to do here in that situation? Send a recovering patient who still probably needs a certain level care back home?
Look at FL's ICU strain during the initial outbreak.
[IMG]
Florida was never forced to make tough decisions on where to send patients because they operated below capacity, simply because Florida was never, ever under a risk of a surge close to New York due to the weather at the time, the relative population density, and perhaps Florida's population being less susceptible to severe cases per the Vitamin D deficiency theory. NY's flu death rate is twice as high as Florida's flu death rate.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/s..._pneumonia.htm
Furthermore, New York counts probable deaths while FL only counts confirmed deaths via test. You can see it here. Florida has had nearly 8K pneumonia deaths with/without Covid, excluding the flu. They have one of the highest ratios of non-flu pneumonia deaths to confirmed Covid deaths in the country.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
You'll see in states that count probable deaths, they usually show more Covid deaths than non-flu pneumonia deaths.
The reason DeathSentence (yea, deserves that name. Not closing Disneyworld while cases are surging and ICU capacity is strained) gets criticism is because he did everything wrong at the start and fumbled his way into a good result because of the weather and population density factors. During the Spring, the weather was more temperate, so more people outside. Now that it's summer, people are spending more time in air conditioned spaces, which is a perfect breeding ground for the virus. And DeathSentence is still refusing to take action, likely thinking he'll get lucky again. He won't. FL has had a 15%+ positive rate over the last 3 weeks and that was with doing a lot of testing. The median age has risen. ICUs are being strained. It's sneaking into nursing homes now.
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/lo...irus-outbreak/
And yes, he has a baked in "win" vs. NY. Florida's environment just isn't as conducive to the massive and rapid spread New York endured. I think every year NY runs about a 5x higher flu infection rate than FL. At the end of this, he can pat himself on the back and say they didn't get as bad as NY, but it won't mean he took better action than Cuomo.
If Cuomo didn't up on the nursing homes Cuomo wouldn't have scrubbed the website of his nursing home mandates.
And I'm shocked that you of all people accepted the 15%+ positive rate the media has been running with. I thought you would have done some digging on your own. Start on page 24 and look at how many labs are only reporting positive cases (100%).
https://floridadisaster.org/globalas...s_20200707.pdf
FL does not have a 15%+ positive rate.
https://alachuachronicle.com/covid-t...-are-reported/
The amount of the tests the labs who are reporting a 100 percent positive rate is so minuscule, I don't think it will shift percentages by all THAT much. But in any event, those results are not current results (i.e. the results of this past week). They are the results of Florida's entire testing thus far. I would venture to say those labs reporting at 100 percent were ones reporting early in the pandemic where it was critical to identify positive cases and when only the most symptomatic were getting tested.
What I'm referring to about Florida's positive rate is how it's exploded since reopening. Consistently in the 20 percent since 6/26. When they flattened and DeathSentence was doing victory laps, they were returning with positive rates in the 2-6% range.
We can do some "fuzzy math" and correlate the increase in positive rate to ICU admissions. Their positive rate has effective doubled since May and so have their hospitalizations and ICU admissions.
https://covidactnow.org/us/fl?s=668112
Didn't he do this May 10th? New York was past surge then and probably had other options at that point. I'm agnostic on taking Cuomo to task on this before an investigation.If Cuomo didn't up on the nursing homes Cuomo wouldn't have scrubbed the website of his nursing home mandates.
Also, that tweet is terrible. He doesn't consider the law of diminishing returns nor is considering that when NY was testing during their surge, they were testing more selectively since tests were scarcer then, meaning testing more symptomatic cases. There's no "fear porn" here. Florida isn't in a good spot. We're just desensitized to high death counts in the 100s when NY and NJ were peaking, but there was a time when I went wide eyed the first time NY reported over 100 deaths in a day. Florida is tracking to have a 100-200 deaths per day plateau.
Florida was never consistently in the 20 percent since 6/26
Add in the number of negative tests not being reported and the fact that Florida counts a positive test from the same person on a different day as two positive tests (per their website) and the percent positive is even lower.Florida was never consistently in the 20 percent since 6/26
I was using this to check out FL's positive rate.Florida was never consistently in the 20 percent since 6/26
https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en/test
That said, whichever one is more accurate doesn't matter. If it's your graph, that is still concerning. I think the guide to reopening is to have a 14 days of a positive rate below 5 percent.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/testing-positivity
Furthermore, Florida is likely severely under counting Covid patients. Look at the rise in ED visits for "flu like symptoms." (click health metrics).
https://experience.arcgis.com/experi...8ddedb9b25e429
The flu is basically dormant this time of the year. Yeah, a rise in visits to the emergency room for "flu like" symptoms that neatly tracks with the rise in Covid visits to the ED is just a coincidence
The Florida Department of Health released its daily coronavirus testing report showing a statewide positivity rate of 11 percent, but FOX 35 News investigated and quickly noticed some shocking positivity rates.I was using this to check out FL's positive rate.
https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en/test
That said, whichever one is more accurate doesn't matter. If it's your graph, that is still concerning. I think the guide to reopening is to have a 14 days of a positive rate below 5 percent.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/testing-positivity
Furthermore, Florida is likely severely under counting Covid patients. Look at the rise in ED visits for "flu like symptoms." (click health metrics).
https://experience.arcgis.com/experi...8ddedb9b25e429
The flu is basically dormant this time of the year. Yeah, a rise in visits to the emergency room for "flu like" symptoms that neatly tracks with the rise in Covid visits to the ED is just a coincidence
Countless labs have reported a 100 percent positivity rate, which means every single person tested was positive. Other labs had very high positivity rates. FOX 35 found that testing sites like Centra Care reported that 83 people were tested and all tested positive. Then, NCF Diagnostics in Alachua reported 88 percent of tests were positive.
How could that be? FOX 35 News investigated these astronomical numbers, contacting every local location mentioned in the report.
The report showed that Orlando Health had a 98 percent positivity rate. However, when FOX 35 News contacted the hospital, they confirmed errors in the report. Orlando Health's positivity rate is only 9.4 percent, not 98 percent as in the report.
The report also showed that the Orlando Veteran’s Medical Center had a positivity rate of 76 percent. A spokesperson for the VA told FOX 35 News on Tuesday that this does not reflect their numbers and that the positivity rate for the center is actually 6 percent.
FOX 35 News has yet to hear from the other labs or the Florida Department of Health to explain how the error could have been made on an official report.
https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/fo...ovid-19-report
How many? How many cases? If "countless labs" report 500 positive results out of 500 tests while the other labs in the state report 10K positives out of 60K tests, it really won't impact the overall positive rate. Not to mention Florida is missing many Covid patients, unless you really believe the flu just magically reappeared right now.
Not sure what point you're trying to prove? Do you actually think Florida is trending good? All of their metrics have doubled since May/Early June. 7 day death average, ICU admissions, hospitalizations, and emergency room visits have risen 4x.
Do you really think it's wise not to roll back some openings knowing the exponential nature of this virus? This is what every other country in the world is doing. They flatten, reopen a bit, if cases e, they roll back, rinse/repeat. But we went 0-100 with reopening and dumbass governors all over still refuse to roll back. It took Newsom in' long enough.
Annnnd Florida just reported a new high. I'm sure Justin Hart will have a graph for us where he once again misrepresents the backfill phenomenon.
Yeah but Cuomo and the nursing homes tho
NYC Has Its First Day In Months With No COVID-19 DeathsYou think New York’s deaths rate per capita looks any better in July?
If New York were a country in July where would it rank globally in terms of deaths per capita? You’re all about det perspective right?
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...ovid-19-deaths
They will be keeping that rate pretty flat, fwtw
I never said it's not wise not roll back some openings, I just don't buy into the Florida is the next New York fear porn that is being amplified.
BUT NY TOTAL STILL WORSE THAN ALL THE REPUBLICAN STATES COMBINED
I believe 6K nursing home residents died in NY, or about 20 percent of their deaths. Florida (from June 18th):
https://www.wfla.com/community/healt...re-facilities/That means 52.66% of all of Florida’s coronavirus-related deaths are linked to facilities statewide.
On percentage basis, DeathSentence has done a worse job, so all that guff about protecting nursing homes was just that. I doubt there was any strict policy in place.
They won't be. I agree with that. Even if Cuomo perfectly protected the nursing homes, their death rate would still be unprecedented. And it has nothing to do with policy decisions. New York City in the early-Spring is like the perfect ground zero for a virus like this. But as I've said, "At least we're not New York" shouldn't be a goal. The new hot spots around the country will likely creep closer to Italy's death rate over their plateaus. Remember when the goal was not to be Italy?
Once New York started taking heat for coronavirus deaths in nursing homes they stopped counting a nursing home patient who died in a hospital as a nursing home death. The number is much higher than 20% of their deaths.
Thing is, I don't blame either governor for nursing home deaths. I'd bet dollars to donuts staff ed up by not strictly isolating Covid positive patients. Now we can blame Cuomo and/or DeathSentence for not better protecting the patients in these facilities given the reputation of how ty most nursing homes are, with all the reports of staff stealing from patients, abusing patients, and what ever else goes on in these elder care holes, but again, I won't accuse either of what is essentially manslaughter without facts. If we get corroborated witness testimony that Cuomo had options and chose the nursing home option in bad faith (i.e. to perhaps save money or make nursing homes/insurance companies more money), then string him up.
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)
Posting Permissions
Reply With Quote
