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    say? I posted my W2's for several years running.
    My money is on fiction. The only personal truth ever posted here is Blake admitting he's a cuckold.

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    There's nothing about you worth validating.
    That's a fantastic theory and I'm sure you'll use scientific method to prove it

    I can leave you on the side of the road like the piece of you are, tbh. I just want to know what your fascination is with his VPN that you needed to ask over multiple threads.
    Upon further research I've come up with the following conclusion "That ain't none of yo damn business" if you like to refute please supply relevant materials

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    That's a fantastic theory and I'm sure you'll use scientific method to prove it



    Upon further research I've come up with the following conclusion "That ain't none of yo damn business" if you like to refute please supply relevant materials
    Well, I never found you interesting before. Why should this be any different....

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    Well, I never found you interesting before. Why should this be any different....
    Well you didn't quote me without me referring to you first before today, and for some reason you decided today would be different. You seem like a fickle guy

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    Well you didn't quote me without me referring to you first before today, and for some reason you decided today would be different. You seem like a fickle guy
    Without referring to me first?

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    Without referring to me first?
    I can't say you've never quoted me before but I can say you've never quoted me without is being a response to me quoting you

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    I can't say you've never quoted me before but I can say you've never quoted me without is being a response to me quoting you
    Well, I wasn't lying when I said I don't find you interesting. But who knows; I could be wrong.

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    The government includes the military but that doesn't mean that, because the government has social services, the military is a social service. Common logical fallacies..
    If the Military isn't a social service, what is it then?

    Socialism isn't money from the general public going to private corporations
    When did Socialism enter the discussion?

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    Give an example of someone being against the separation of church and state.

    "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

    Who is against this? Your anonymous friends list doesn't necessitate a thread. Talk to them or re-examine your priorities.
    Are you in favour of the separation of Church and State?

    And, do you want an example of someone being against the separation of Church and State? Well, pick any politic out there. There's a reason churchs are still being funded by tax money, tbh.

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    Unfettered capitalism good now?
    That's not the point, though. The point is the hypocresy of those asking for a free market yet defending the finding of the church by the State.

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    That's not the point, though. The point is the hypocresy of those asking for a free market yet defending the finding of the church by the State.
    You'll never penetrate their thick skulls. Conservatives LOVE, and I mean LOVE, BIG government when it works for their interests. Bloated government spending on the military? They love it. Government legislating morality with regards to drug use, abortion, gay rights, and speech (flag burning should be illegal). They love it. Violations of the 4th amendment if it helps "get thugs off the streets." They love it. Federal government infringing upon states' rights if said state is doing something they don't like. They love it. Use of eminent domain. Love it (if it means seizing land to build something like a wall to keep out the evil Messicans).

    Liberals are for a "big" government, too, but the difference is liberals at least want to channel that big government into doing good for US citizens and for humanity as a whole. Conservatives want to exercise big government to impose power.

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    That's not the point, though. The point is the hypocresy of those asking for a free market yet defending the finding of the church by the State.
    Why? Limiting lasciviousness is good for society regardless of religion.
    It's like supporting laws against disturbing the peace. I don't think people should be having loud house parties at 1 AM on a Tuesday night just because I support capitalism.
    Honestly, ya'll are stretching like Reck's asshole on a Saturday night.

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    You'll never penetrate their thick skulls. Conservatives LOVE, and I mean LOVE, BIG government when it works for their interests. Bloated government spending on the military? They love it. Government legislating morality with regards to drug use, abortion, gay rights, and speech (flag burning should be illegal). They love it. Violations of the 4th amendment if it helps "get thugs off the streets." They love it. Federal government infringing upon states' rights if said state is doing something they don't like. Use of eminent domain. Love it (if it means seizing land to build something like a wall to keep out the evil Messicans).

    Liberals are for a "big" government, too, but the difference is liberals at least want to channel that big government into doing good for US citizens and for humanity as a whole. Conservatives want to exercise big government to impose power.
    They do. And neither are channeling for good. They both serve their corporate masters. Don't kid yourself.

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    You'll never penetrate their thick skulls. Conservatives LOVE, and I mean LOVE, BIG government when it works for their interests. Bloated government spending on the military? They love it. Government legislating morality with regards to drug use, abortion, gay rights, and speech (flag burning should be illegal). They love it. Violations of the 4th amendment if it helps "get thugs off the streets." They love it. Federal government infringing upon states' rights if said state is doing something they don't like. They love it. Use of eminent domain. Love it (if it means seizing land to build something like a wall to keep out the evil Messicans).

    Liberals are for a "big" government, too, but the difference is liberals at least want to channel that big government into doing good for US citizens and for humanity as a whole. Conservatives want to exercise big government to impose power.
    They were even against the 2nd amendment when them nigglers had a militia, tbh...

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    They do. And neither are channeling for good. They both serve their corporate masters. Don't kid yourself.
    If you honestly want power to return to the people, then corporate wealth needs to be seized and redistributed. That's honestly the only way. Power is money. I've said before, the only way you can rid society of a "master," is through anarchy. Yes, I know anarchy conjures up images of lawlessness in the streets, but as I've told you before, it simply means an abolishment of hierarchies.

    Problem is, it would take an almost perfect moral society to live in an anarchy. Sociopaths and psychopaths would likely exploit the law-and-order vacuum to, ironically, rise to some form of power.

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    If you honestly want power to return to the people, then corporate wealth needs to be seized and redistributed. That's honestly the only way. Power is money. I've said before, the only way you can rid society of a "master," is through anarchy. Yes, I know anarchy conjures up images of lawlessness in the streets, but as I've told you before, it simply means an abolishment of hierarchies.

    Problem is, it would take an almost perfect moral society to live in an anarchy. Sociopaths and psychopaths would likely exploit the law-and-order vacuum to, ironically, rise to some form of power.
    How'd that work out for the USSR?

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    If the Military isn't a social service, what is it then?
    Can you get medical treatment at a military hospital? Can you live on a military base? Can you call the military to come to your aid? Do you have any interaction whatsoever with the military? Do they have any with you or with your community in the US? They have more interaction with people from other countries than they do with people in their own country. They are not a social service, since they do not provide a service to your community. Being a benefit to you doesn't make them a service to you. Social services falls under the Health and Human Services division, not under the DoD.
    When did Socialism enter the discussion?
    They also call any program funded by their tax dollars that might help the poors "socialism," while jerking off to the fact the military gets the biggest portion of their tax dollar. The military is a socialized service just the same as something like universal healthcare.
    This is Mid conflating socialism with military spending.

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    How'd that work out for the USSR?
    That's my point. heels will rise to power in that vacuum. The problem isn't necessarily these ideologies themselves, it's the fact sociopaths exist. That's my pet theory of why we never make any significant steps toward the proverbial "utopia." Sociopaths don't want a utopia. They want a system in which they can wield power over others. That passage from 1984 where the main character asks "the party" why they're doing what they do, because their behavior seems so irrational to him. Their response: Power.

    It's literally like a drug for that mentality. I actually believe humanity is overall good, but the 5% of the population or whatever on that anti-social spectrum are enough to keep progress stagnant.

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    ^^^^

    Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power, pure power. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now you begin to understand me.”

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    Mid - even though there are some like you who have genuine brotherly love and want the best for at least the majority of people, the fact remains that many supporters on each side of the isle (and between isles) want whats best for them individually. Social welfare programs that benefit the downtrodden and misfortunate also benefit the lazy. Trickle down economics that benefit the middle class (supposedly) moreso benefit the wealthy. Individuals who claim to be for the collective are quite often looking out for their own interests and try to sell that as socially aware policy. The examples are everywhere.

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    That's my point. heels will rise to power in that vacuum. The problem isn't necessarily these ideologies themselves, it's the fact sociopaths exist. That's my pet theory of why we never make any significant steps toward the proverbial "utopia." Sociopaths don't want a utopia. They want a system in which they can wield power over others. That passage from 1984 where the main character asks "the party" why they're doing what they do, because their behavior seems so irrational to him. Their response: Power.

    It's literally like a drug for that mentality. I actually believe humanity is overall good, but the 5% of the population or whatever on that anti-social spectrum are enough to keep progress stagnant.
    I got news for you. We got nothing but sociopaths in our govt. now even without the communism.

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    Mid - even though there are some like you who have genuine brotherly love and want the best for at least the majority of people, the fact remains that many supporters on each side of the isle (and between isles) want whats best for them individually. Social welfare programs that benefit the downtrodden and misfortunate also benefit the lazy. Trickle down economics that benefit the middle class (supposedly) moreso benefit the wealthy. Individuals who claim to be for the collective are quite often looking out for their own interests and try to sell that as socially aware policy. The examples are everywhere.
    Sure, and there's nothing wrong with looking out for your interests first. I have no problem with that. We all do it, and we all should do it. But I think we also need some kind of collective spiritual or psychological "awakening" (and no, not suggesting religion, even though some could use that if they're inclined) that realizes that material things won't bring you actual happiness. Mega rich people who have 40 houses around the world and mountains of they never, ever use or appreciate act more like addicts than people who buy or collect things to legitimately enjoy them. And no, I'm not suggesting we legislate "consumption," I'm just pointing out our collective addiction to "things" which prevents progress toward helping others.

    And then there's the "addiction to power" mentality I pointed out above. People like Bezos and such are no longer interested in wealth and "things," they're interested in power.
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    Mid - even though there are some like you who have genuine brotherly love and want the best for at least the majority of people, the fact remains that many supporters on each side of the isle (and between isles) want whats best for them individually. Social welfare programs that benefit the downtrodden and misfortunate also benefit the lazy. Trickle down economics that benefit the middle class (supposedly) moreso benefit the wealthy. Individuals who claim to be for the collective are quite often looking out for their own interests and try to sell that as socially aware policy. The examples are everywhere.
    The problem is that even if there are opportunists, I rather still move forward and then try to weed them out, because the alternative is do nothing and more of the same. And it's chock full of opportunists there too.

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    I got news for you. We got nothing but sociopaths in our govt. now even without the communism.
    Sure. I never denied that, but you also don't like the anarchy solution (which I agree isn't achievable). So what's the solution?

    I would use their sociopathy and narcissism against them. These psychologies are rather easy to manipulate. They'll shift with the winds in order to stay in power, so what this requires of us is to hold them mercilessly accountable. But the core issue is we the people can't agree on which way to shift them. I want to shift them toward implementing universal healthcare and taxing the ever loving of out of the oligarch class. You perhaps don't. We both think we're right, so we remain at loggerheads.

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    Sure. I never denied that, but you also don't like the anarchy solution (which I agree isn't achievable). So what's the solution?

    I would use their sociopathy and narcissism against them. These psychologies are rather easy to manipulate. They'll shift with the winds in order to stay in power, so what this requires of us is to hold them mercilessly accountable. But the core issue is we the people can't agree on which way to shift them. I want to shift them toward implementing universal healthcare and taxing the ever loving of out of the oligarch class. You perhaps don't. We both think we're right, so we remain at loggerheads.
    The solutions are returning to fairness as much as possible. The solutions are expecting honesty. The solutions are people giving a . We have a nation full of narcissists.

    One example is Obamacare. We knew it was bull . The idea of companies cutting hours b/c they don't want to pay healthcare? That's why healthcare can't be tied to employment. And then when the govt. has us by the balls, everything is raised. Just like that, overnight, healthcare went from one-sixth of the economy to one-fifth. I literally watched as Obama changed his stump speech for that. His corporate overlords got in his ear and said, no we expect a bigger cut. What a got. And low IQ Americans accept this. And the rigged media touts it as a success. It's bull .
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