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    So did they explain for they are kneeling for or against?

    Actual genocide occurring in China or black en lement in America?
    Man, it's really all over for you here.

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    Man, it's really all over for you here.


    Off to Portland for re-education

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    Off to Portland for re-education
    might need some re-education if you think fascism is "things i dont like"

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    might need some re-education if you think fascism is "things i dont like"
    On a serious note I still wonder what made the Germans, Italians and Spainards fascist and other regimes such as Soviets and Japanese not so.

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    On a serious note I still wonder what made the Germans, Italians and Spainards fascist and other regimes such as Soviets and Japanese not so.
    Japan was absolutely fascist until 1945. to this day japan is among the most racist states in the world.

    i've gone through this exercise with derp before, but while fascism is sometimes generically used to describe authoritarian regimes bent on ultra-nationalism that suppresses its opposition (and opposes democratic liberalism, in favor of the populist "strongman" leader), Umberto Eco's 14 common features of fascism (something he developed in the 90s) is a very useful primer as well (scroll down a bit for the 14 points) http://www.openculture.com/2016/11/u...f-fascism.html

    the ultranationalism is usually the driving characteristic (fear and expelling/purging of "the other"... protectionist/isolationist economy)
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    peaceful protesters


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    Japan was absolutely fascist until 1945. to this day japan is among the most racist states in the world.

    i've gone through this exercise with derp before, but while fascism is sometimes generically used to describe authoritarian regimes bent on ultra-nationalism that suppresses its opposition (and opposes democratic liberalism, in favor of the populist "strongman" leader), Umberto Eco's 14 common features of fascism (something he developed in the 90s) is a very useful primer as well (scroll down a bit for the 14 points) http://www.openculture.com/2016/11/u...f-fascism.html

    the ultranationalism is usually the driving characteristic (fear and expelling/purging of "the other"... protectionist/isolationist economy)
    Bite your tongue! The US should be more like Japan! Just look how low there gun homicide rate is!

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    Japan was absolutely fascist until 1945. to this day japan is among the most racist states in the world.

    i've gone through this exercise with derp before, but while fascism is sometimes generically used to describe authoritarian regimes bent on ultra-nationalism that suppresses its opposition (and opposes democratic liberalism, in favor of the populist "strongman" leader), Umberto Eco's 14 common features of fascism (something he developed in the 90s) is a very useful primer as well (scroll down a bit for the 14 points) http://www.openculture.com/2016/11/u...f-fascism.html

    the ultranationalism is usually the driving characteristic (fear and expelling/purging of "the other"... protectionist/isolationist economy)
    That makes sense and definitely applies to why Soviets don't count.

    I love point #7. The obsession with a plot.

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    interesting that there isn't a single named source, including the DHS Official who sent the email. no photos or videos of the scene. none of the direct quotes say anything about the place being barricaded, though that was loosely attributed to some officials from the scene. also odd that in the same sentence protestors were boarding up the windows so nobody could escape, while also trying to break down the doors. a lot of confusion imo

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    Bite your tongue! The US should be more like Japan! Just look how low there gun homicide rate is!
    there are good things we can learn from otherwise bad countries and vice versa
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    peaceful protesters

    Honestly doesn't look like their trying to burn the courthouse itself. They're stupid but not that stupid.


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    interesting that there isn't a single named source, including the DHS Official who sent the email. no photos or videos of the scene. none of the direct quotes say anything about the place being barricaded, though that was loosely attributed to some officials from the scene. also odd that in the same sentence protestors were boarding up the windows so nobody could escape, while also trying to break down the doors. a lot of confusion imo
    The feds put up a barricade to keep the protesters out of the courthouse or at least from tagging it more.

    When the protesters break it down they try to barricade the Feds inside the courthouse.

    It's kind of reaching kabuki levels now.

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    The feds put up a barricade to keep the protesters out of the courthouse or at least from tagging it more.

    When the protesters break it down they try to barricade the Feds inside the courthouse.

    It's kind of reaching kabuki levels now.
    thanks for clarification

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    interesting that there isn't a single named source, including the DHS Official who sent the email. no photos or videos of the scene. none of the direct quotes say anything about the place being barricaded, though that was loosely attributed to some officials from the scene. also odd that in the same sentence protestors were boarding up the windows so nobody could escape, while also trying to break down the doors. a lot of confusion imo
    Yes it must be confusing for those trying to call these peaceful protests.

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    That makes sense and definitely applies to why Soviets don't count.

    I love point #7. The obsession with a plot.
    there is some overlap in that we've seen socialist states like USSR, and Maoist China also be authoritarian dictatorships. that's where people get the "horseshoe theory" from, where supposedly far left and far right lead to the same place.

    but there's a pretty massive distinction between socialist and fascist economics and social policies. there's also nothing inherent in socialism that mandates authoritarianism, though that was Lenin's whole shtick. he basically took marxism and said the only way to get to a true socialist state (and eventually, a communist society) is to have a dictatorship "of the people" TAKE the power from the bourgeoisie, and he also called democracy obsolete because it gives the people a false dichotomy, choosing between different parties of the elites. the issue with the USSR is they never really got past that point, so it was just a totalitarian government through and through that was constantly suppressing opposition.

    there are certainly parallels between the USSR and the european fascist states, but theres a good amount of nuance in there. the first half of the 20th century is truly fascinating to read about. i've been reading up on the era quite a bit the last few months, but more so from the political developments, less about the wars

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    Yes it must be confusing for those trying to call these peaceful protests.
    Trump Volunteer PR Corp certainly has its talking points down.

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    In before the "agitators from other states are flooding into Portland, that's why we needed to be heavy handed" narrative...

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    Yes it must be confusing for those trying to call these peaceful protests.
    i dont think anybody has argued that there have been no violent aspects in any of the protests, particularly in portland.

    escalation was a poor strategy all along

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    In before the "agitators from other states are flooding into Portland, that's why we needed to be heavy handed" narrative...
    are you talking about the federal officers?

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    are you talking about the federal officers?
    well done. touche.

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    thanks for clarification
    From the stuff I'm seeing it looks like after dark there are only a few dozen hardcore dip s I would call active rioters. Mostly they're burning trash and some barricade material but there is no chance in the actual building will burn. If Barr really wanted to stop this he'd send the people slated to go to Chicago to round up the guys in the act. They seem really content to try reenacting the Alamo every night until election day.

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    look at the difference between the still photo and the video in post #286.

    The picture the Examiner and NY Post ran looks like they're in an active volcano.

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    btw, if everybody wants a good laugh, lets all look at this gem of a thread by ducks

    https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/sho...371&p=10203081

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    btw, if everybody wants a good laugh, lets all look at this gem of a thread by ducks

    https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/sho...371&p=10203081
    taters

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    btw, if everybody wants a good laugh, lets all look at this gem of a thread by ducks

    https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/sho...371&p=10203081
    (cringe) Ow.

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