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    i would be in no rush to trade murray.

    packaging him with demar could lead to some interesting offers though...

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    I agree the Spurs take risk with draft picks picking more for possible upside then current production they need to take the same risks with trades. I think DEROZZ trade with Murray could net us a very good player PF or SF or good player with a draft pick.

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    I don't understand the hand ringing over Dejounte cause I do not know of a point guard in the nba playing with a worst collection of nba skill around him than dejounte is...

    Dejounte is NEVER going to be able to pass the ball to a cutting Bryn Forbes for an easy basket because Forbes doesn't cut to the basket...he just hovers around the 3 point line...

    Dejounte is NEVER going to be able to run a fast break and then pass it out to wide open Derozan for 3 because Derozan doesn't shoot 3's...

    Dejounte is NEVER going to be able to run a pick and pop with Poeltl because Poeltl doesn't shoot anything that is not a 5 foot pop a shot or a dunk...and any pass Dejounte does throw has to be picture perfect cause if you put any traffic around Poeltl he gets stone hands...

    Dejounte is NEVER going to be able to hit Lamarcus cutting to the basket because he doesn't do that...he is not really going to get any assist with Lamarcus because whenever he does get it in the post he pounds it forever...the only way Dejounte can get any assist out of LMA is when LMA is in straight pussy mode and won't play in the post at all and does nothing but pick and pop...

    Then...who is setting up Dejounte to score when he doesn't have the ball ? Not LMA he is arguably the worst passing big I have ever seen... not Poeltl I don't think i have seen him have the ball in his hands longer than 4 seconds since he got here...not Forbes who is also an awful passer...Demar can when he is not looking to call his own number and pad his own stats, which is most of the time...

    So Dejounte is playing with a guard who never goes to the rim, another guard who never shoots 3, one of the most if not THE most plodding big man in the nba, and a center who has no offensive game outside of dunking the ball...how is he supposed to help these guys score and exactly what are they doing to help him score ?

    John Stockton couldn't run a pick and roll with the bigs on our team cause they either don't role to the basket ( LMA ) or have stone hand (Poeltl)

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    I don't understand the hand ringing over Dejounte cause I do not know of a point guard in the nba playing with a worst collection of nba skill around him than dejounte is...

    Dejounte is NEVER going to be able to pass the ball to a cutting Bryn Forbes for an easy basket because Forbes doesn't cut to the basket...he just hovers around the 3 point line...

    Dejounte is NEVER going to be able to run a fast break and then pass it out to wide open Derozan for 3 because Derozan doesn't shoot 3's...

    Dejounte is NEVER going to be able to run a pick and pop with Poeltl because Poeltl doesn't shoot anything that is not a 5 foot pop a shot or a dunk...and any pass Dejounte does throw has to be picture perfect cause if you put any traffic around Poeltl he gets stone hands...

    Dejounte is NEVER going to be able to hit Lamarcus cutting to the basket because he doesn't do that...he is not really going to get any assist with Lamarcus because whenever he does get it in the post he pounds it forever...the only way Dejounte can get any assist out of LMA is when LMA is in straight pussy mode and won't play in the post at all and does nothing but pick and pop...

    Then...who is setting up Dejounte to score when he doesn't have the ball ? Not LMA he is arguably the worst passing big I have ever seen... not Poeltl I don't think i have seen him have the ball in his hands longer than 4 seconds since he got here...not Forbes who is also an awful passer...Demar can when he is not looking to call his own number and pad his own stats, which is most of the time...

    So Dejounte is playing with a guard who never goes to the rim, another guard who never shoots 3, one of the most if not THE most plodding big man in the nba, and a center who has no offensive game outside of dunking the ball...how is he supposed to help these guys score and exactly what are they doing to help him score ?

    John Stockton couldn't run a pick and roll with the bigs on our team cause they either don't role to the basket ( LMA ) or have stone hand (Poeltl)
    omg. pick & roll with Poeltl works well for White & Lonnie. Toronto guards like Lowry & Van Fleet had no problem as well. Dejounte has no court vision. Instead of passing the damn ball he runs in the defenders at least 3 times a game, because he also is missing the ballhandling skills you need as a point guard. Spurs better trade him as long as anybody thinks he is on a good contract. Be serious: He‘s a backup at best at the moment. If he improves his shot he has some worth, but he will never be a point guard.

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    Don't know why people are criticizing dejounte for being a poor point guard. He isn't one. He was drafted as a scoring guard and pop is attempting to mold him into something he isn't. Dejounte ceiling is Jamal Crawford with defense

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    Don't know why people are criticizing dejounte for being a poor point guard. He isn't one. He was drafted as a scoring guard and pop is attempting to mold him into something he isn't. Dejounte ceiling is Jamal Crawford with defense
    Yeah, no. None of that.

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    DeJounte Murray is nothing like Jamal Crawford

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    It’s been like 4 years and Murray still hasn’t shown any offensive growth. Him and demar are just stunting the growth of white Lonnie and keldon at this point. Just taking the ball out of their hands and not shooting

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    It’s been like 4 years and Murray still hasn’t shown any offensive growth. Him and demar are just stunting the growth of white Lonnie and keldon at this point. Just taking the ball out of their hands and not shooting
    Murray had a horrible injury last year. This year is his first year back. It takes 2 Years to recover. Lets see next year.

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    Itís been like 4 years and Murray still hasnít shown any offensive growth. Him and demar are just stunting the growth of white Lonnie and keldon at this point. Just taking the ball out of their hands and not shooting
    Murray had a horrible injury last year. This year is his first year back. It takes 2 Years to recover. Lets see next year.

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    Murray had a horrible injury last year. This year is his first year back. It takes 2 Years to recover. Lets see next year.
    No it doesn't take that long anymore. Nurkic's leg snapped in half and he's already back killing scrubs.

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    No it doesn't take that long anymore. Nurkic's leg snapped in half and he's already back killing scrubs.
    pretty sure acl's are worse than a fracture. but idk

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    pretty sure acl's are worse than a fracture. but idk
    It's logical, but nonetheless guys are coming back sooner than ever from injuries that have historically sidelined or ended guys careers'.

    How much time does DJ need to prove he's a competent PG?

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    Itís been like 4 years and Murray still hasnít shown any offensive growth. Him and demar are just stunting the growth of white Lonnie and keldon at this point. Just taking the ball out of their hands and not shooting
    Come on man. That's horribly out of context. He played sparingly his first year, less than half the season as I remember. Played himself into a 2nd team all defensive team the second year and averaged about 9pts. Missed **all** of last year and was brought back *very* slowly this year for the first 1/3 of a shortened season. In many ways, you could consider this like his 2nd year, but no more than his 3rd, clearly. He was coming off a devastating injury and not allowed to showcase anything until about the last 25 games. He did have a really nice stretch offensively and his midrange game started to show some positive progress. His scoring was starting to be more consistent.

    Point is, writing him off at this point is not only unfair but ignorant.

    Also, don't we Spursfans need to be showing some loyalty and full support to players who are bought in to the Spurs like he is? He'll be fine. He just needs a bit of time to gel with these guys.

    If there is any knock on him it's that his defense has seemingly dropped off some as he's worked on his offensive game. Also if possible he seems to care too much so that he gets upset at not making enough progress so he seems rough on himself at times.

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    Come on man. That's horribly out of context. He played sparingly his first year, less than half the season as I remember. Played himself into a 2nd team all defensive team the second year and averaged about 9pts. Missed **all** of last year and was brought back *very* slowly this year for the first 1/3 of a shortened season. In many ways, you could consider this like his 2nd year, but no more than his 3rd, clearly. He was coming off a devastating injury and not allowed to showcase anything until about the last 25 games. He did have a really nice stretch offensively and his midrange game started to show some positive progress. His scoring was starting to be more consistent.

    Point is, writing him off at this point is not only unfair but ignorant.

    Also, don't we Spursfans need to be showing some loyalty and full support to players who are bought in to the Spurs like he is? He'll be fine. He just needs a bit of time to gel with these guys.

    If there is any knock on him it's that his defense has seemingly dropped off some as he's worked on his offensive game. Also if possible he seems to care too much so that he gets upset at not making enough progress so he seems rough on himself at times.
    Its more "fun" for people to trash their own team and get a reaction from others. Its an orgasm for some of these people.

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    Murray has not shown any ap ude in being able to be a decision making point guard.
    White hugely outperforms him in this aspect.
    I think Murray not smart enough.
    He needs to be a 2 guard and I would not hesitate to get back something good for him in a trade

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    Still don’t understand why Poop is trying to make him a PG he should have been a SG from day one.

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    Still don’t understand why Poop is trying to make him a PG he should have been a SG from day one.
    Does he strike you as a 2, SG?

    He's far, far more effective with the ball in his hands. And his midrange game has shown marked improvement. , in time he might be OK as a SG because he started hitting some 3s later in the season before it was suspended. But pitting him in that spot now handicaps his development.

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